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    Talking [Help] [SOLVED] Partial Neuter - BootNeuter

    Hey folks,

    Wondering if my phone is completely bricked. Read several threads, and hoping to see if there was something I missed. Any help appreciated.

    History:
    2G iPhone < 4 months old (got from relative)
    Originally ran ZiPhone to install 1.1.4. Was playing with different jailbreak methods and firmwares. Installed several versions until I landed at
    WinPwned Version 2.0 IPSW
    So finally I was in the last step - unlocking the SIMM
    Was in the middle of running BootNeuter when screen lock activated. By the time I realized it, too late. I was installing the firmware so many times, this time I forgot to set the screen lock --> never. I went into bootNeuter immediately after to see if it finished, and instead it tried to detect... instead of getting stuck at "Determining Current Settings", it gives me the "Error: Can't talk to the bootloader... CommCenter collission...etc".

    Clearly it was partially through flashing the bootloader and stopped. Now I fear I'm screwed. This is all the fears of the N00b BootNeuter DON'Ts coming true.

    So now I tried to reload older firmware versions and iTunes errors out: 1604 / 20 / 4. Always gets stuck in recovery mode.

    Interestingly enough - when QuickPwn came out 2 weeks ago, I tried giving it a shot. Granted I loaded a 2.0, but hoped that the 2.0.1 could snap it out of the recovery tailspin. It worked - jailbreaked successfully. I can now boot up, but takes awhile and I have Cydia / Installer / BootNeuter.

    Of course no Wifi,Bluetooth,Connectivity and iTunes doesn't detect, always wants to go into recovery mode. BootNeuter is still giving the Error. Now I've tried several different attempts at reloading 1.1.1 / 1.1.4, but the only thing that brings it back is QuickPwn b/c it doesn't use iTunes.

    I've read several threads on how to use BBinfo/Sprint/VT100 Terminal/BSD to essential try to reboot the bootloader and kill the CommCenter proc. I've tried using Liberty+, ZiPhone... to load some of the software to diagnose to no avail. Keeps jumping into Recovery mode and the programs error out. I can't even force normal mode.

    So the question is - is the phone too bricked to recover? If not, how do I load the diagnostic tools like terminal / BSD to see the extent of the bootloader corruption as the only way I can load anything is through QuickPwn?

    I fear I may know the answer - but hey... I was completely dead in the water until QuickPwn came around... I figure their might be some genius solution just around the corner (other than the A17 HW hack).

    Thanks ahead of time for any insights / replies
    Last edited by PEd; 09-05-2008 at 09:47 PM. Reason: solved



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    I am afraid I am in the same possitions as you are.... if anyone can help...

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    As long as you don't get error 1011 then I think you still have a chance at getting the phone to work.

    You need to get the phone to boot up correctly and have bootneuter on the phone.

    What you need to do is to run bootneuter again with auto-lock = never. If it detects your phone as having 4.6 BL, you may want to try and flash it to 3.9 BL and vice versa. What you want to do is try to see if bootneuter can reflash the bootloader completely. If that works, you can proceed to set it to neuter=on and unlock =on.

    This is just my guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtube View Post
    As long as you don't get error 1011 then I think you still have a chance at getting the phone to work.

    You need to get the phone to boot up correctly and have bootneuter on the phone.

    What you need to do is to run bootneuter again with auto-lock = never. If it detects your phone as having 4.6 BL, you may want to try and flash it to 3.9 BL and vice versa. What you want to do is try to see if bootneuter can reflash the bootloader completely. If that works, you can proceed to set it to neuter=on and unlock =on.


    This is just my guess.
    The challenge is despite QuickPwn breaking me out of recovery cycles, b/c iTunes, iLiberty, ZiPhone always errors out (luckily never 1011 w/iTunes), BootNeuter still gives me the error that the CommCenter collision occurs, even after the QuickPwn load. So BootNeuter quits right after, doesn't let me flash or select any settings.

    Guess my question is clearly I need to assess the BL corruption, but how can I get BSD or Mobile Terminal (or equiv) loaded on the phone? As iLiberty or ZiPhone won't work loading programs directly, because seems to get stuck on Recovery Mode and times out.

    Is there no way to force programs in DFU mode? Or better yet use QuickPwn to load BSD, Terminal as default programs just as BootNeuter is in the package today?

    Thanks to all (and dtube) for your responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEd View Post
    The challenge is despite QuickPwn breaking me out of recovery cycles, b/c iTunes, iLiberty, ZiPhone always errors out (luckily never 1011 w/iTunes), BootNeuter still gives me the error that the CommCenter collision occurs, even after the QuickPwn load. So BootNeuter quits right after, doesn't let me flash or select any settings.

    Guess my question is clearly I need to assess the BL corruption, but how can I get BSD or Mobile Terminal (or equiv) loaded on the phone? As iLiberty or ZiPhone won't work loading programs directly, because seems to get stuck on Recovery Mode and times out.

    Is there no way to force programs in DFU mode? Or better yet use QuickPwn to load BSD, Terminal as default programs just as BootNeuter is in the package today?

    Thanks to all (and dtube) for your responses.
    I'm not sure about forcing programs into DFU.

    Try a custom firmware from winpwn/pwnage tool. My guess is whatever bootloader you have on your iPhone now or had, is to choose the other BL, so the custom firmware might "install" a "fresh" bootloader, one without corruption. Eg, if your on BL3.9, upgrade to BL4.6 when making custom firmware. My guess is your on 3.9 seeing as you used ziphone unless you upgraded your BL afterwards.

    Well if that don't work, I'm sure the iPhone Dev Team knows how to fix your iPhone


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    heres what to do. i was screwed with my phone like for the last 4hours. what i done was

    downgrade ur itunes to 7.5
    put phone in dfu mode and restore to 1.1.4
    download kiphone (patched version of ziphone and downgrade ur baseband)
    click the "downgrade baseband" and the "iboot" boxes
    let kiphone do its job
    restore again to 1.1.4
    then use pwnage or whatever to get u back to 2.0.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.T View Post
    I'm not sure about forcing programs into DFU.

    Try a custom firmware from winpwn/pwnage tool. My guess is whatever bootloader you have on your iPhone now or had, is to choose the other BL, so the custom firmware might "install" a "fresh" bootloader, one without corruption. Eg, if your on BL3.9, upgrade to BL4.6 when making custom firmware. My guess is your on 3.9 seeing as you used ziphone unless you upgraded your BL afterwards.

    Well if that don't work, I'm sure the iPhone Dev Team knows how to fix your iPhone

    Thanks A.T. However as mentinoed the only tool I was successful with was QuickPwn. ZiPhone, iLiberty, iTunes (7.7) doesn't work. So the question is how can I bypass going into recovery mode because that clearly errors out. Not sure if it's DFU mode that QuickPwn exclusively uses and the others start in DFU, but finishes the job in recovery mode, but it's been several trial and attempt errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_to_da_jay View Post
    heres what to do. i was screwed with my phone like for the last 4hours. what i done was

    downgrade ur itunes to 7.5
    put phone in dfu mode and restore to 1.1.4
    download kiphone (patched version of ziphone and downgrade ur baseband)
    click the "downgrade baseband" and the "iboot" boxes
    let kiphone do its job
    restore again to 1.1.4
    then use pwnage or whatever to get u back to 2.0.2
    Will try the downgrade, I haven't done that yet, but curious how that works? Is 7.5 less prone to the errors of the phone in Recovery mode or does it more brute force the FW upgrade?

    I'm just not sure that avoids the problem as I see the phone getting stuck itself in recovery mode after the FW upload starts... not sure it's related to iTunes?

    Will let you know. Any other ideas by chance?

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    Honestly, I'm a little lost reading the first post because I think it is too details :-).
    Can you simply summarize the state of your phone: fw on phone?, does it boot up ?. What exactly do you do with QuickPwn? and what happen when you use it.

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    Hey dtube,

    Yeah, I think you're right. Too much detail. Will summarize.

    How did I get into this state:
    Used WinPwned to create 2.0 Pwned IPSW
    Used iTunes 7.7 to upload
    Ran BootNeuter --> Screen lock on iPhone activated probably 1 minute when I stepped away --> realized what happened, set Autolock-Never, then BootNeuter seemed to stop. No activity on the iPhone, went back to BootNeuter and it wanted to "redetect settings". Then got the "Error: Can't talk to the bootloader... CommCenter collission" ever since.

    What I've done:
    Tried using WinPwn to reload 1.1.4/2.0/2.0.1 with iTunes 7.7. Get errors 1404 /20 / 4. iPhone always gets stuck in Recovery Mode
    Tried iLiberty to bypass iTunes. iLiberty runs all night, times out, iPhone again stuck in recovery mode (sometimes try DFU, sometimes try to start from Recovery mode).
    ZiPhone same thing.
    Only thing that brings the iPhone back is QuickPwn in DFU mode.

    State it's in now:
    Once iPhone boots (very slowly), WiFi/Bluetooth not working. iTunes does not recognize the phone - wants to recover. Essentially every way to communicate with the phone is no-go.
    BootNeuter still gives the same error.

    So as QuickPwn doesn't default load BSD (can't connect to download) or BBinfo/etc, can't see if I can kill the CommService thread, which seems to be the only solution on the threads I've seen to get the phone in a state to reflash the BL.

    That's what I think is the next step. But may try the iTunes 7.5 / 1.1.4 idea. My thought is that the iPhone will still get stuck in Recovery mode, unless 7.5 ignores those Errors and "forces" the FW and BL upload?

    Let me know if this clarifies better. Thx all!
    Last edited by PEd; 08-28-2008 at 04:26 PM.


 

 
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