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    Cool My thoughts about TurboSim

    Like everyone else here, when I heard about the TurboSim method I got excited but I am wondering if it is wise to quickly get this product and get it done? I don't mean to put a damper things but what if it doesn't work for Canadians? And if it does work, how do we know it will be stable? Is it possible that Apple, Rogers or Fido may catch on and somehow disable this and is it legal? I'm sure within weeks to come, there will be more ways to unlock the iPhone, I still believe that a software unlock would be the best way to free the iPhone from AT&T and with so many people working on this it's just a matter of time, anything is possible.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MiPhone View Post
    Like everyone else here, when I heard about the TurboSim method I got excited but I am wondering if it is wise to quickly get this product and get it done? I don't mean to put a damper things but what if it doesn't work for Canadians? And if it does work, how do we know it will be stable? Is it possible that Apple, Rogers or Fido may catch on and somehow disable this and is it legal? I'm sure within weeks to come, there will be more ways to unlock the iPhone, I still believe that a software unlock would be the best way to free the iPhone from AT&T and with so many people working on this it's just a matter of time, anything is possible.
    The majority of your points is why IMO the iPhone isn't considered unlocked yet. This is a work around and like all work arounds there are uncertainties. Not to say that the real unlock won't be defeatable, but it will certainly be less ambiguous in nature. The TurboSim method is a good option for those that just can't wait. If I had one I would do it right now, just not sure if its worth the $$ and the pain in the rear factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonsmith View Post
    The TurboSim method is a good option for those that just can't wait. If I had one I would do it right now, just not sure if its worth the $$ and the pain in the rear factor.
    Right, for people who can't wait, for people who have money to spend and for people who are interested in technical challenges.
    It works with ANY SIM (no matter if V1, V2 or V3) but you need to cut out the "chip" from the original SIM. If your cell phone service provider offers a dual card (whatever it is called in your country, T-Mobile offers Twincards and Vodafone Tricards with the same number and contract), it may be time to get one to make sure that you still have one "regular sized" SIM for your usual cell phone.

    I know, waiting for the unlock isn't easy but it may save you a lot of money and it may even prevent you from breaking the law and/or bricking your iPhone.

    I have a TurboSIM but didn't use it yet because I had a lot of work to do but I do this stuff more for self-educational purposes and fun, not really because I think it could replace the unlock. Once the unlock is ready...bye-bye Turbo SIM.

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    My understanding is that the TurboSIM "unlock" works by making the iPhone "see" an AT&T SIM whereas the carrier sees its own SIM. Perhaps most importantly, the iPhone firmware itself is in no way modified (other than to allow applications, such as SSH, to be installed to activate the TurboSIM). In other words, once the TurboSIM is in place and working, the TurboSIM solution does not rely on special / hacked software running on the iPhone itself, right?

    If this is correct, then it seems to me that the TurboSIM solution would be a far more robust solution than any software based unlock. A software unlock, by definition, requires altering the iPhone firmware/OS. This is something that Apple can very easily detect and block. Of course, the clever hacker community will in turn find a way to unblock the Apple block and so the rat chase will go. However, in the case of the TurboSIM, even if Apple detects traces of jailbreak and blocks it in a firmware update, I believe that once the TurboSIM is in place and working it will continue to function. Therefore, unless one were to change carriers, an Apple jailbreak block *after* the TurboSIM is in place wouldn't have any effect.

    In this sense, I think that the TurboSIM solution could have a significant advantage over a software unlock, if one is willing to invest the price.

    Please correct me if my understanding is incorrect and the TurboSIM solution does require hacked iPhone firmware to work even after it's in place and working.

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    No, the Turbo SIM hack only works because there's a very stupid design bug in the current baseband firmware. If (or rather once) they fix it, you're out. So be careful with these firmware updates


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zf_ View Post
    No, the Turbo SIM hack only works because there's a very stupid design bug in the current baseband firmware. If (or rather once) they fix it, you're out. So be careful with these firmware updates
    Could you explain a bit more to educate us masses?

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    See http://www.jasonmadigan.com/2007/08/...ng-the-iphone/ (the first paragraph describes it with more details)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 997TT View Post
    Right, for people who can't wait, for people who have money to spend and for people who are interested in technical challenges.
    It works with ANY SIM (no matter if V1, V2 or V3) but you need to cut out the "chip" from the original SIM. If your cell phone service provider offers a dual card (whatever it is called in your country, T-Mobile offers Twincards and Vodafone Tricards with the same number and contract), it may be time to get one to make sure that you still have one "regular sized" SIM for your usual cell phone.

    I know, waiting for the unlock isn't easy but it may save you a lot of money and it may even prevent you from breaking the law and/or bricking your iPhone.

    I have a TurboSIM but didn't use it yet because I had a lot of work to do but I do this stuff more for self-educational purposes and fun, not really because I think it could replace the unlock. Once the unlock is ready...bye-bye Turbo SIM.
    I agree completely with this... It is a bit challenging for the majority of people, hence the number of questions I have been answering regarding the Muppets Guide....

    However having said that I think it is a stable solution, and I have been using it quite happily for a while now.

    It will be difficult for Apple to "block" this kind of solution, and i think they will realise that the number of people actually doing this is going to be very small indeed, and so they wont bother.

    I am, however using this as a temporary solution until a full unlock is developed, and it will always be a handy plan "b" in case an unlock solution is defeated by a firmware update.

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    >>> Rogers or Fido may catch on and somehow disable this and is it legal?

    Rogers and Fido won't get mad at you because you are using and paying them for cellular minutes instead of sending your money at AT&T. They don't loose anything, and they can't sue you because they are gaining, not loosing, and for now, in Canada, you can sue only for losses, not for gain.

    And don't thing they will give Apple any info from their networks, they have nothing to gain out of it.

    Once Rogers will offer the iphone, then they might try to block us, just so they can have their share of the more expensive rates of the iphone, but Fido will still be happy to sell you minutes instead of seing you go to Rogers. And if you decide to go with Rogers, then there will be no more point to hack the iphone. It is not the non-At&T provider that will try to block the hacked iphone, it will be Apple and AT&T. And AT&T have nothing to gain by putting ressource$ to block iphone outside USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmashedpotatox View Post
    Could you explain a bit more to educate us masses?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zf_ View Post
    No, the Turbo SIM hack only works because there's a very stupid design bug in the current baseband firmware. If (or rather once) they fix it, you're out. So be careful with these firmware updates
    Thats not entirely true, apple have used a common and well accepted method to verify the carrier of the SIM. Many other phones can be "unlocked" using this method.

    The point is that its unlikely they will bother fixing it due to the fact that so few people (relatively speaking, a few hundred out of over half a million) are going to be doing it. It just wont be worth their time.

    The other thing to remember is that even if they do alter the way the ICCID is requested to validate the phone, or the intervals in which is it requested, it will be relatively simple to develop a new TRB application to satisfy it.

    I think the TSIM method, for those who do get it working will be a pretty stable solution, however its by no means ideal.

    Remember if a software/firmware based unlock occurs it is far more likely to be fixed as many, many more people will be using it and AT&T will pressure apple into fixing it due to the potential for lost revenue.

    As with anything in business it will be view in terms of profit, loss and risk. The cost of patching the "TurboSIM" method will outweigh the potential in recouped revenue, versus future development of further countermeasures.

    Having said all that, I have yet to see or hear of a carrier locked phone which has subsequently been unlocked, being patched to be "locked" again by a carrier. Though this could be simply because in the UK and Europe it is a requirement that phones can be unlocked and the carrier/firmware developer would then be breaking the law by locking it again :-)

    Just my 2c


 

 
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