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    Default [JerrySIM] JerrySIM is worth for the future iPhone...

    Hello Community...

    As we have known GeoHot's gunlock working very well for BL4.6, I wonder what if Apple patches to fix the exploits he discovered. If it's the case, JerrySIM will be very valuable equipment to downgrade from any BL>4.6 down to BL3.9 or BL4.6, as long as Apple do not make BL non-programmable.

    My $0.02...



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    JerrySIM will most likely be patched in the next version because of the Moron In Chief action.

    Besides, work on JerrySIM is stopped. You know where to complain.
    Last edited by Zf_; 02-09-2008 at 10:08 AM.

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    I can totally understand the Dev/Elite team frustration over the episode, and at the end, there is only a single winner in this unfortunate battle: Apple.

    I support the Dev/Elite team decision to hold the information until the SDK and any associated new firmware is released. We do not want to be out of the loop at that point, but revealing the exploits justs spoils the chances of getting there with a solution.

    But JerrySIM sounds like a very promising avenue and I hope the Dev/Elite team will soon resume its development. There are still tons of phones with the 4.6BL and it will be good to make progress in this area.

    Aside from any sad episode, lets not give up and let Apple win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zf_ View Post
    JerrySIM will most likely be patched in the next version because of the Moron In Chief action.

    Besides, work on JerrySIM is stopped. You know where to complain.
    Uff...so we (the community i mean, but it's more careful to say the Dev Team) should start over again and wait for a new fu****g bootloader! I would have loved the JerrySIM...keep going devteam, we support you.

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    Until today, I've been only reading the forums during the last two months.
    I don't think that my opinion will be of any relevance, but the recent events have made me really angry and I could hardly enjoy to hear about Geohot's success yesterday. I think in all the hype about the iPhone, it seems like people forget about respect.
    I don't know what is going on with many of these people; obviously often there is a lot of money involved, and maybe some people don't realize the difference between Apple and the hacking community, or between buying something and donating. There is such a lot of aggression in the atmosphere of this community, that I have actually wondered whether the people that do develop the hacks are still reading here - I think if I was not only an observer but personally involved, I would not be able to stand it. So first of all, I admire everyone that was and is still working behind the scenes not only for their hacking skills but also for their determination and their strenght of will to not let the hype and the many studip things that are being posted here ruin their motivation!

    I would say of myself that I use my iPhone as a toy to play with and I'm always looking forward to trying to understand the cool new ideas that are developed by the devteam, geohot, or whomever else.
    When I read the leaked document about JerrySIM, I was astonished of such an idea. How do you even get the idea to look for an exploit in this part of the phone? It is fascinating and I think that the fascination about what all is possible is what should be the real reason for people like me to be here, who are not involved in and cannot contribute to the hacking itself.
    I can imagine that all this is no as much fun for you anymore, but I really hope that now after 4.6 has been unlocked someway, the agression and all these hyped people could just peacefully unlock their phones, finally be happy and disappear again, so that there would be a friendlier, less stressful atmosphere.

    Finally, zf, even if you don't know me, since you might be reading this, I would like so say something to you personally: it still after 24h makes me angry to think about how disrespectful some people here treat other people's work (in this case yours). Of course, no one had the right to just take it and put it online somewhere!! But also, no one has the right to tell you what to do with it and when or how to release it. And finally, most people here have no reason to tell you whether this is a good solution or not, because 99% of them would never have been able to develop anything like this and they probably don't even understand what it is. The problem seems to be that they can't keep their mouth shut anyway. Even if such people seem to be the majority here, you should not take their opinions too personal. They don't care about others but themselves and unlocking their phones, then why should they be worth to care about? I can imagine that it is quite frustrating to be working in such an environment, but JerrySIM is still not lost. There must still be people out here that are interested in your projects for the fascination of it, even if they may be hard to find in the masses of others. Please don't let these masses ruin your fun.

    I'm sorry for writing such a long post as my first one, but even though I don't have much to say here, I feet the need to post something like this now after everything that I have seen.

    Sebastian from Germany


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastian-Bonn View Post
    When I read the leaked document about JerrySIM, I was astonished of such an idea. How do you even get the idea to look for an exploit in this part of the phone? It is fascinating and I think that the fascination about what all is possible is what should be the real reason for people like me to be here, who are not involved in and cannot contribute to the hacking itself.
    Well thanks a lot for this insightful and very well thought post.

    I'm just quoting the most relevant part for my point : that's precisely why I'm very pissed of this leak. Leaking JerrySIM is wasting a whole new class of exploits for nothing. It's utterly moronic and against all hacker/security ethics not to mention common sense. JerrySIM was supposed to be one of those last resort scenarios that are kept carefully under wraps until the time has come (notice how we didn't mention in the official announcement that Jerry was a SIM), then out for everybody to share, but out for a good reason, damn it. It could even have been a possible key to unlock the 3G version of the phone. Z. is so self centered that he didn't even realize that. This guy redefines lameness to a degree I wished I had never witnessed.

    Now time will tell what the future of that vulnerability will be. Those are definitely the kind of posts that show me that we're not doing that for nothing, so thank you again (and no, I'm not looking for fans, just expressing my independant thoughts as a pissed developer right now).
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    Interesting discussion here.

    This community effort is a two edge sword/two way street/etc . you will have member who contribute and members who will Fcuk the project. This is normal, I still remember back in school when doing "team project" the same thing happen. But from this team project, I learn a lot from it. Team/community effort without structure and responsibility is useless

    In the true "unlocking" world, those that manage to make it as a viable project/business, usually are the best organized and they are not free
    imagine the pc world, if linux is manage by either microsoft/apple/etc

    Anyway, my respect for those who contribute to make this unlocking iphone happens, especially for those who do it for free. More power to you!!

    Gunawan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zf_ View Post
    Well thanks a lot for this insightful and very well thought post.

    I'm just quoting the most relevant part for my point : that's precisely why I'm very pissed of this leak. Leaking JerrySIM is wasting a whole new class of exploits for nothing. It's utterly moronic and against all hacker/security ethics not to mention common sense. JerrySIM was supposed to be one of those last resort scenarios that are kept carefully under wraps until the time has come (notice how we didn't mention in the official announcement that Jerry was a SIM), then out for everybody to share, but out for a good reason, damn it. It could even have been a possible key to unlock the 3G version of the phone. Z. is so self centered that he didn't even realize that. This guy redefines lameness to a degree I wished I had never witnessed.

    Now time will tell what the future of that vulnerability will be. Those are definitely the kind of posts that show me that we're not doing that for nothing, so thank you again (and no, I'm not looking for fans, just expressing my independant thoughts as a pissed developer right now).
    It's very sad news to hear this from you Zf_

    And I understand... if this exploit would not been closed, it will be very very good combination with Geohot's unlock since, from my perspective, it could help extending overall unlockability lifetime for iPhone. I say, Geohot's exploits of BL4.6 might be patched in the next BL, aka BL5.x. If JerrySIM's exploit is still in there, we can have a chance to downgrade from BL5.x to BL4.6 and utilize the good old BL4.6's exploits for longer.

    But when both (actually, all... ) exploits are revealed in the same time, they can be patched all in once and community has to look for the harder ones...

    Sad Sad Sad...


    I hope that you guys still keep working on the project...

    And thank you Zf_. Though I rarely post anything in the forum but I keep reading so much. I get so many understanding and idea from your discussion (especially the thread you talk with Ka... about direct SIM solution for 4.03.13... very interesting -- hopeless though... )

    Also, I am not your fan... don't worry hahaha... Just appreciated your contribution to community...

    Well... Hope is still there... we have to wait and see what's gonna be done from Apple...
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    I get so many understanding and idea from your discussion (especially the thread you talk with Ka...
    In that thread I was trying to learn something and Zf was there to answer my questions and not let me waste time on stupid ideas he already knew wouldn't lead anywhere.

    That's what I like about all of this. Having an unlocked phone is great, trying to understand how it works and finding somebody with the knowledge willing to share it with you is priceless.

    That guy simply didn't have the right to publish stuff that wasn't belonging to him. Discussion on "is it going to have a consequence" or "is the consequence inevitable" is beyond me. Won't speculate on it. I simply hope the Dev Team won't fall on this but bounce back, as I think the main belief must be to learn, progress and share, whatever is then done with the product, even if sometimes it goes in really bad hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zf_ View Post
    Well thanks a lot for this insightful and very well thought post.

    I'm just quoting the most relevant part for my point : that's precisely why I'm very pissed of this leak. Leaking JerrySIM is wasting a whole new class of exploits for nothing. It's utterly moronic and against all hacker/security ethics not to mention common sense. JerrySIM was supposed to be one of those last resort scenarios that are kept carefully under wraps until the time has come (notice how we didn't mention in the official announcement that Jerry was a SIM), then out for everybody to share, but out for a good reason, damn it. It could even have been a possible key to unlock the 3G version of the phone. Z. is so self centered that he didn't even realize that. This guy redefines lameness to a degree I wished I had never witnessed.

    Now time will tell what the future of that vulnerability will be. Those are definitely the kind of posts that show me that we're not doing that for nothing, so thank you again (and no, I'm not looking for fans, just expressing my independant thoughts as a pissed developer right now).
    As I have expressed before, it's not the first time that "ego" caused the waste of a good exploit. Just look back at the 2 jailbreak methodos for 1.1.1. Apple closed to exploits in a single firmware.

    I personally think that not only the members of the Dev/Elite teams do have the right to pissed of by the leak. The whole "free iphone community" will suffer at the end.

    My hope is that the community can once again encourage the Dev/Elite guys to resume their work on JerrySIM, and the next exploit, and hope that this episode will soon be a page turned over.

    This is a big community. Several people do several things. Some do it for the pleasure of being part of a large creative body and not for the money. Some are in it just for the cash. It pisses everyone off to see people making money out of their work. Either the "cheap" *SIM in China, or those charging sometimes more than 100US$ to run anySIM and their many more profiting from free software.

    That's why, if the pot is still open, the community should stop complaining and support the Dev/Elite teams (and other true developers).


 

 
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