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    Default <<< Needs Help Jailbreak 3GS 3.1.3 >>>

    I am totally new user for iphone. This jailbreaking is totally new to me.

    Question here:
    1. My phone is 3GS 3.1.3. The serial number is 870086xxxxx. I have no clue if my phone is new or old bootrom. Went into DFU mode (screen black), checked on Windows Device Manager (USB Controller Section) has nowhere showing iboot version. Checked with iDetector (on DFU), showed the phone is not detected. So how I can check if this phone is new or old bootrom?
    2. Does spirit work for 3GS 3.1.3 old and new bootrom untethered?
    3. What is SHSH? Why I need to use this SHSH to protect me in the future? And what is blob?
    4. Once I jailbreak my phone.....if I see cydia. What is this? Let say I want Tom Tom....Should I get it through Cydia? Or cydia is like a "unlock" app which need to be run in the background to keep the phone jailbroken. I saw in one youtube clip, hackulous is mentioned. What is this?
    5. If the phone is originally unlocked, once the phone jailbroken, should I run ultrasn0w? (sounds dumb question....but just need to make sure)
    6. Once the phone jailbroke on 3.1.3, few months later 4.0 better firmware comes out with jailbreak also. And what we should do? we restore the phone to 4.0 and jailbreak it. or something else?

    Please help......
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    1) Don't guess, the best way to tell your bootrom is what you were trying, just make sure you're in DFU mode and not Recovery mode, as the info doesn't show in Recovery.
    2) Yes, but it requires that your phone be activated, which means you will need a legitimate SIM to activate with.
    3) When you restore a firmware, iTunes asks Apple if it is OK for you to restore the version you are attempting to restore onto your specific device. Apple then either replies yes or no. The SHSH is a stored, cached copy of the 'yes' reply for your phone, for the specific version of firmware you requested. At this time, it is not possible to obtain an SHSH for any firmware other than 4.0. If you haven't heard of SHSH / thought about SHSH / messed with SHSH before, it's too late.
    4) Cydia is an alternate to the Apple app store, but not a full replacement. There are very few applications that are available in both locations. I would go with the Cydia versions for applications that are available there as I'm to understand their $$ to developers is more than from the App Store. Do not mention hackulous or any other pirate-related apps on these forums. It's against the rules, we don't support it, and a lot of the developers you're trying to steal from are active members of this community and visit these boards. If you want the app, pay for it. None of them are really that expensive, and they deserve money for their work. This is your only warning.
    5) "Originally unlocked" is ambiguous. If it is a factory unlocked phone, then you will not need to run ultrasn0w. If it has been software unlocked, you will want to make sure ultrasn0w is the unlock you're using.
    6) Yes and no. If you intend to upgrade a Spirit JB'd 3.1.3 device to 4.0, you need to ensure you have the old bootrom, then you should install the Spirit2Pwn package (or follow msft.guy's instructions on the forum here) to pwn the LLB of the phone, then create a custom 4.0 ipsw with PwnageTool and restore that with iTunes. If you're on a new bootrom device, you cannot do this, do not try, you will brick your phone until you restore to the factory 4.0 (which cannot be jailbroken or unlocked on a 3GS right now.)

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    Let me summarize (confirm) what I understand here and extra questions:
    1. The purpose of knowing old or new bootrom is to make sure the JB'n phone can be upgraded to iOS4 or not?
    2. Firmware older than 4, can not obtain SHSH. Then how can we restore the phone if somewhere in the middle of JB-ing process we fail/ did a mistake/ we want to restore the phone to the original iOS the phone originally had? Even having IPSW of iOS 3.1.3 will not help? Or custom SHSH for 3.1.3 exist?
    3. What is the risk of JB the phone with Spirit without having SHSH for 3.1.3 and 4.0.0?
    4. What is the advantage if iOS 4 than 3.1.3?
    5. What is LLB stands for?
    6. Spirit is userland jailbreak. Userland means good or bad?
    7. What is the best thing to do now? Make SHSH file for ios 4.0.1 and wait until the jailbreak come out? or jailbreak the phone (3.1.3) even without SHSH of 3.1.3?
    8. In general which jailbreak tool is better than the other? Mine is 3GS 16Gb 3.1.3 MC132X 870086***** (Got unlocked by provider for free)
    9. What is IBSS? Do we need this while saving 4.0.1? How to create this?
    10. Can we use custom IPSW 3.1.3 to restore Spirit JB'n phone? It it can, can I generate this custom IPSW on new bootrom 3GS 3.1.3?

    Thanks.
    Last edited by riftan; 07-17-2010 at 04:41 PM.

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    1) No, though it impacts that. You want to know the bootrom because existing tools will ask you while jailbreaking and if you answer incorrectly, you've got an expensive brick until you restore to factory iOS.
    2) Correct. You can't restore an iOS prior to 4.0 without the SHSH. Period. Sorry! There is no other workaround, plain and simple truth -- no SHSH, no downgrade.
    3) If you JB without SHSH and something doesn't work, you can't restore back to 3.1.3, so you've just locked and jailed your phone (as you'll have to restore to iOS 4.0 directly to get the phone working again, and then you can't jailbreak since you don't have the SHSH to downgrade).
    4) Lots. New apps, new features, multitasking, folders, etc.
    5) Low level bootloader
    6) Userland means it doesn't pwn the LLB and jailbreaks the device by exploiting a bug in user-space in the OS, meaning it doesn't exploit the hardware or software on a low level, unlike redsn0w/etc.
    7) Get your SHSH for 4.0 and 4.0.1 and wait for the new jailbreak. If you feel lucky, attempt to jailbreak 3.1.3. Guidance here will always be not to, as you don't have the SHSH -- but it's possible you can jailbreak 3.1.3 safely and not have any issues. Just don't have a fallback plan if it fails.
    8) redsn0w / PwnageTool are the only tools you should use for 3.1.2/4.0, thought Spirit works for 3.1.3, and if you have an OLD BOOTROM (*ONLY*) you can use the Spirit2Pwn package in cydia to allow you to restore to a custom iOS 4.0
    9) IBEC and IBSS were files that were thought to be able to create the SHSH blobs but unfortunately they didn't contain all of the necessary information. No tools exist to use the IBEC or IBSS files and it's doubtful any will be created.
    10) No. You cannot restore a custom 3.1.3 onto a 3GS if the phone is not Pwned, and Spirit does not pwn the LLB, the LLB must be pwned to restore a custom firmware. The Spirit2Pwn package will pwn an OLD BOOTROM's LLB, but not a new bootrom, and only once you have jailbroken 3.1.3. If you can make it that far, then you can use a custom iOS 4.0 to flash your device, but only after the LLB is pwned, and only on an old bootrom device. So, it's possible that if you had an old bootrom and you were running 3.1.3, you could Spirit (make sure to use the new version that works with iTunes 9.2), then run Spirit2Pwn, then use PwnageTool to create a custom iOS 4.0, then restore that onto your device -- but if anything goes wrong in that process, you'd be forced to restore to a stock iOS 4.0 and you'd be locked and jailed until the new tools were released. I hope this isn't too confusing.

    Hope this helps!
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    Thanks for the explanation.....confusing but I get little bit understanding....roughly.

    I guess I will proceed with Spirit. I have nothing to lose.

    But the problem i have now 2:
    1. Where I can find step by step to use Spirit? Like what information should I know before I proceed.....like new or old bootrom. I won't have a clue until you told me.
    2. Where I can find a tutorial to restore to iOS 4.0.1 in case I fail and brick my phone. Would it be as simple as connecting my phone and press update to new iOS4?
    3. I have tried and succesfully made my phone to into DFU mode. But when I checked my Windows XP Control Panel/ Device Manager/ Universal Serial BUS Controller / Apple Mobile Device USB Driver ....there is no writing explaining the iBoot etc. The only things I can see is is USB: .....etc. How this is happen? I bought this phone brand new few weeks ago.
    Is there any way how to tell my bootrom.....I am stuck on this.
    4. Is iOS 4.0.0 better in 3GS rather than 3.1.3 (put aside their jailbreakability)? I heard on the news here in Aust. They causing phone to freeze and slow browsing etc. Basically causing problems to 3GS. What about 4.0.1 vs 4.0.0?

    Please help
    Last edited by riftan; 07-22-2010 at 02:37 PM.


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    1) iClarified - iPhone - How to Jailbreak Your iPhone Using Spirit (Windows) [3.1.2, 3.1.3]
    2) Yes. That said, upgrading to 4.0.1 will lock and jail your phone until new tools are released if you do not have SHSH on file for 3.1.2 or 3.1.3, so, it should be used as an absolute last ditch method only.
    3) Once you're in DFU:
    Then go to Start -> Control Panel -> System -> Hardware -> Device Manager on your Windows machine.
    Look for 'Universal Serial Bus (USB) Controller', you will find 'Apple Mobile Device USB Driver' as a subitem there.
    Right Click and choose 'Properties', navigate to 'Details' tab and select Device Instance Path from the dropdown list box. At the end of this information string you will find the bootrom version, e.g. [iBoot-359.x].
    4) I used 4.0 on my 3GS for a few weeks before upgrading to an iPhone 4 and I had no problems. Most of the people on the forums aren't having many issues, though as you mentioned, a few have had issues with slowness or battery life. 4.0.1 is stupid and unnecessary, the ONLY change is that the 1-bar and 2-bar signal bars are taller, and that the algorithm that Apple uses to determine signal strength is now based in reality, and not in the land of wishes and kittens like it was before. No one recommends 4.0.1 right now, though comex has said that it's likely that the new Spirit2 JB will work on 4.0.1.
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    1. When you said the phone will be locked and jailed....what does this mean? My phone now is unlocked by provider. Not using the app. Originally unlocked. If I do fail and restore to iOS4.0.1, would it still be jailed and locked? or Jailed only?
    2. I need to send you a screenshot of my device manager so you know what i mean.... I have checked exactly under the device manager in the correct location......checked it many times.....and there is not string telling me iBoot etc.

    Where I can send my screenshot of my device manager so you know what I mean......

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    So from technique point of view, is spirit better or worse to others like redsn0w or pwnage or etc?
    I guess since it only exploit the bug on user level environment it is not go as deep as others........so can i say it worse than others from technique point of view?

    Thanks.

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    There are technical advantages to both approaches.

    Spirit avoids the tethered jailbreak problem but is much easier for Apple to block (new spirit installs were blocked by iTunes 9.2)

    Being able to pwn the LLB gives real longevity - for example my 3GS has been on the pwnagetrain since 3.0 - full control of the whole device and boot process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riftan View Post
    1. When you said the phone will be locked and jailed....what does this mean? My phone now is unlocked by provider. Not using the app. Originally unlocked. If I do fail and restore to iOS4.0.1, would it still be jailed and locked? or Jailed only?
    Jailed only. I missed that your phone was factory unlocked. It's not possible to re-lock a factory unlocked phone. My mistake, sorry about that.

    No idea why you wouldn't see the information in Device Manager -- what version of Windows are you using? I'm running Windows 7 Pro x64 with iTunes 9.2 and it shows up just like it should if I connect in DFU mode...
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