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    Quote Originally Posted by Toaster View Post
    I would much rather someone explain in detail the FaceTime activation process, and allow us to send up our own SMS gateway's or whatever, and get the activation solution up free.
    Agreed, however let's look at a past real-world example that is directly related.

    Hacktivated phones lack unique push certificates so could not get push notifications. iPhone Dev team investigates and comes up with a free technical solution - releases it with a readme clearly explaining that you can't share the donated cert with multiple devices.

    Incorrect guides appear all over the place telling people to install a cydia package containing only one push cert. Suddenly one unique cert is shared by tens of thousands. They find push works for a short while and then stops working. The iPhone dev team gets the blame and push notifications become voodoo for a while.

    Later a free process was established to get unique push certs. Was very popular but very few donations have trickled through as way of thanks. Now the whole solution looks to be at risk of shutting down - they need a new cert generation device - the donations are nowhere near enough to buy a cheap iPod touch to use to generate the push certs.

    So the point is that although sharing of information should be free - it's not always possible to package that into a cydia package for free

    Quote Originally Posted by Toaster View Post
    AND I'M STILL NOT 100% SURE I UNDERSTAND WHY THE ACTIVATION WORKS SOMETIMES AND NOT OTHERS - FOR SOME PEOPLE AND NOT OTHERS. DOES IT IN FACT HAVE TO DO WITH T-MOBILE OR APPLE????
    It is because international texts from t-mobile seem to be so unreliable.

    Apple requires that FaceTime activation start with a hidden SMS (text message) from the iPhone to an Apple number. The reason for this is that there is no other reliable way to retrieve/verify the phone number of your phone aside from SMS or making a call.

    For t-mobile and I think other unsupported carriers, this hidden SMS goes to a UK number. The phone keeps on sending text messages until it gets a reply. This is why the activation is so intermittent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olethros View Post
    Agreed, however let's look at a past real-world example that is directly related.

    Hacktivated phones lack unique push certificates so could not get push notifications. iPhone Dev team investigates and comes up with a free technical solution - releases it with a readme clearly explaining that you can't share the donated cert with multiple devices.

    Incorrect guides appear all over the place telling people to install a cydia package containing only one push cert. Suddenly one unique cert is shared by tens of thousands. They find push works for a short while and then stops working. The iPhone dev team gets the blame and push notifications become voodoo for a while.

    Later a free process was established to get unique push certs. Was very popular but very few donations have trickled through as way of thanks. Now the whole solution looks to be at risk of shutting down - they need a new cert generation device - the donations are nowhere near enough to buy a cheap iPod touch to use to generate the push certs.
    Well said Olethros,
    Regarding the push certs, myself, Olethros, Cmdshft, Anethema were/are the principle cert generators. My itouch spent countless hours dishing out free certs and now i don't have a working itouch anymore. Today I was planning to borrow my friend's to generate more certs because people still needs it.

    As of now, the certs are empty. The point is no one bother to step up and help. We are not asking for monetary donation, we simply ask if you can help if you have an available device.

    In Cydia, the pushdonor package is what people need to run do donate certs. On top of that, we also posted information for people to save their certs negating the need to download a new one everytime.

    To make it short, no one listen or care.

    So the point is that although sharing of information should be free - it's not always possible to package that into a cydia package for free
    In the case of push certs, pushdonor and pushdoctor are in cydia and their are free. But do people care ? I think not. It's sad .


    It is because international texts from t-mobile seem to be so unreliable.

    Apple requires that FaceTime activation start with a hidden SMS (text message) from the iPhone to an Apple number. The reason for this is that there is no other reliable way to retrieve/verify the phone number of your phone aside from SMS or making a call.

    For t-mobile and I think other unsupported carriers, this hidden SMS goes to a UK number. The phone keeps on sending text messages until it gets a reply. This is why the activation is so intermittent.
    Regarding facetime activation .... I'm not sure if or why texting from tmobile to international is unreliable

    What i know is that if you are on AT&T, when you turn on facetime, it send a text to 28818773. That number only works on AT&T network and that number is in the default AT&T carrier bundle.

    <key>PhoneNumberRegistrationGatewayAddress</key>

    When you put a tmobile sim in, the phone defaults to the Unknown Carrier Bundle and the number that it text is +447786205094

    On AT&T, if you remove the sim while the phone is on, the facetime cert is gone. When you plug back in the same, facetime on, it will activate via texting in the background. So if you turn off phone, remove sim, switch sim, then the FT cert is still there.

    For people using tmobile in US. If they turn on facetime, immediately it will start texting in the background to +447786205094 and you will see that on your phone bill. It does this at random interval until you get a response back (hidden text in the background). Some people get it, some don't and that is why some have reported a huge charge for texting on the phone bill.

    Why it works for some immediately and not for others is beyond me.

    However, pushfix has come up with a way to make this work reliably. Although it is not free and not available yet, it may be worth it for those who don't want to incur a huge phone bill. As far as i know, pushfix's method will save your FT cert so you can reuse it if your phone needs to be restored. Pushfix has been working very hard on this for a long time now and he deserves to be paid for his hard work.

    With that said, I don't know process involves in getting facetime activation to work. I would be nice to have some information though. I don't know if there will be a patch in IOS to make this work by default for all. If not, i doubt there will be a free solution because texting costs money and someone has to pay for it.

    Even when it's free (like push cert), it is hard to keep such a system running all the time like I & Olethros mentioned earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtube View Post
    Regarding facetime activation .... I'm not sure if or why texting from tmobile to international is unreliable
    To clarify texting to a international # works fine on tmobile as long as you don't have sms blocked or some other type of restrictions on your account but more of a communication issue with the gateway server its trying to contact (the UK #). That hidden sms is sending your push token plus sha1 hash of your SIM ICCID (I think someone posted a screen shot of that outbound sms text) of course on supported carriers outside of the US it works fine but I think for unsupported carriers they don't know how to handle that sms response back from the gateway or vice versa not really sure

    I have tested pushfix's app a few days ago and my FaceTime activated within the minute no problem, I tested it on 2 phones...what he does and how it works not really sure but atm it's a working solution

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    I agree with you guys on the push cert's --- and well, everything really...

    As you all well know, not everyone needs to be spoon fed to solutions to problems. I would like to be able to setup a facetime activation process for T-mobile users... Obviously it can be done as PushFix has done so.... now the "trick" is to share the information so those who understand can do it themselves.

    I'm not saying I don't need to be spoon fed But I would very much like the ability to TRY and setup my own facetime activation server...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toaster View Post
    I agree with you guys on the push cert's --- and well, everything really...

    As you all well know, not everyone needs to be spoon fed to solutions to problems. I would like to be able to setup a facetime activation process for T-mobile users... Obviously it can be done as PushFix has done so.... now the "trick" is to share the information so those who understand can do it themselves.

    I'm not saying I don't need to be spoon fed But I would very much like the ability to TRY and setup my own facetime activation server...
    If you came up with a solution it would end up being a universal fix not just for Tmobile users, if it works for "Tmobile Users" it will work for other carriers outside of the US. Get setup with a sms gateway provider not sure how much they cost and figure out how to distribute the activation token because they are based on your SIM iccid and if you are willing to take the hit of the cost per txt for a free solution great. There is more to it but that is a start. Hopefully email activation in 4.1 will be simple
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