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    the post earlier about "fooling" ATT to think that it didn't have an iPhone on its network prompted me to write this.

    I too wanted to give my kids my two old iPhones (2G and 3GS) when I upgraded. Figured they could use them as phones and ipods, no data plan but ATT finally caught up with me and put me on the 2GB data plans automatically. I called and screamed bloody murder but they said it's policy.

    A couple of thoughts for you:

    First, write an email/ letter to the CEO and complain about it. I did and someone from his office called me a day later to discuss. randall.stepehson@att.com did the trick. If enough people complain that these OFF SUBSIDY iphones can't be used on the network without a data plan, they may listen. (Unfortunately, the threat of switching to T-Mobile is no longer valid!)

    Second, if they are going to force you to buy a data plan, force them to buy you a phone. Seriously, if your kids' phones aren't on a contract, sign up for a brand spanking new iPhone 3GS from ATT since you're going to pay for the data plan anyway. That'll set you back $49. Keep your old phone, sell the brand new, still in shrink wrap 3GS on ebay. It'll fetch $350 or so. That'll pay for the $15 data plan for most of the contract. (and ATT pays Apple something like $500 for that phone) Tell the guy from Stephenson's office that's what you are going to do so that you can recover the costs. (or if you're into gadgets buy yourself a new Android or WinMobile phone to play with)


    Maybe if they start to hear a lot about this silly policy and its starts to cost them by them subsidizing a lot of phones for no real benefit to them, they'll change their ways.


    other ideas?


    Oh, one other thing. Someone told me that this worked. Before you switch to the iPhone, call them and tell them that you want a complete block on all internet browsing, email and app traffic on that line. Then switch and turn off the internet in the settings pane. There is a flag on the account now that says "no internet" and one person told me that they have been using an iphone like this for 6 months now. I'll bet that some day ATT catches up to them, but hey it may delay them.



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    There's an easier way around this, but it may be too late for you already. The solution definitely qualifies as 'shaky legal territory', but is decidedly NOT illegal in the US (yet):

    1) Pull an old, non-3g/internet enabled phone out of storage somewhere. I have a RAZR sitting around for just these types of situations.
    2) Switch SIMs with the intended destination line, so the line you're trying to remove the data plan from is in the RAZR.
    3) Go to your account management site on AT&T's website and update the IMEI to the RAZR's IMEI number and apply the change. - You may have to call in to do this, depending on whether you have a legacy account that has been migrated to their new systems.
    4) You'll now be able to remove the data plan.
    5) On the iPhone, disable cellular data entirely (either with the toggle in the Settings app, or with one of the third party toggles.)
    6) Switch SIM cards back.

    You should now have a working phone with completely unworking internet. As you mentioned, this is trivial for them to determine and fix after the fact, but it is presently NOT illegal to do and worst case you just get popped back on a data plan when they figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n1ckn4m3 View Post

    You should now have a working phone with completely unworking internet. As you mentioned, this is trivial for them to determine and fix after the fact, but it is presently NOT illegal to do and worst case you just get popped back on a data plan when they figure it out.
    They seem to be scanning more frequently these days as this is what I did initially when I first started getting hit with this. But AT&T is looking at the IMEI's and putting you on the plans when they find iPhones.

    Not only that, they automatically put you on the $25 plan when they find the phone and I'm using the $15 plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemiltie View Post
    They seem to be scanning more frequently these days as this is what I did initially when I first started getting hit with this. But AT&T is looking at the IMEI's and putting you on the plans when they find iPhones.
    Yup. I'm not too surprised. It really is trivial for them to truly identify the IMEI and as this is a case of revenue they'd love to have, they'll be beyond overzealous in ensuring that everyone on these devices has a data plan. Since blocking internet access on the device only stops the phone from requesting data over the cellular network (and it doesn't of course have any impact on the IMEI reported to the carrier when you initiate a call), all they have to do is look at the IMEI and they'll realize pretty quickly.

    I don't disagree with you though, this is another example of how the US cellular environment is unfairly stacked against the consumer in benefit of the big corporations. They force you to buy something you don't want and don't need just because they want to make more profit. It makes no sense to require a smartphone data plan if the device is capable of not using the internet, and yet, here we are ....

    I can attest that T-Mobile doesn't pull this type of shenanigan, if you don't have a data plan and attempt to use data they just send you to an upsell page telling you to call in and add a data plan if you want data. Seems to be to be the better of the two options. If you're not using data, the fact that it doesn't support 3G isn't a big deal, imo.
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    Yea, and I had actually told Stephenson when I wrote to him that this idiotic behavior was going to cause me to switch to T-Mobile with my entire 4-line, two data, family text, etc account. I even went as far as getting a T-Mobile prepaid SIM, cutting it and putting it in my unlocked iPhone4. Worked great (slow data, but I could live with that) everywhere except at my house. Then, nothing. So that plan wasn't going to work, and now it's all moot anyway since the death star is consuming T-Mobile.

    But yes, T-Mobile only requires a data plan on a smartphone if they subsidized it and until the contract is up, after that, you're free to take it off. A much more rational aproach.


    So, I now have two iphone 3GS' that have never been out of the box that I'll be selling soon. (as soon as an unlock comes available for 4.2.1 and 5.15 so I can sell them as unlocked phones. Or maybe I should just go ahead and do it now) that'll likely cover most of the cost of the 2-year data plans at $15/month. And AT&T paid Apple something like $600 for the phones and charged me $49. morons.


 

 

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