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    Default [iPhone 101] Push email (lack thereof), disecting, understanding...

    Wife just got a Blackberry from work and I can't get amazed at how awesome Push email can be (OK, it can also be extrememly annoying and distracting, but let's forget that for a sec.).

    Now, I'm sitting here, puzzled, trying to understand how she can receive that stuff instantly, including her Hotmail account...

    Correct me if I'm wrong, somebody, on the following statements:

    In order to get push email to work RIM (Blackberry) had to get a deal with the cell network provider to send email to the device similarily to as it sends a call to a mobile phone or delivers an SMS message. Correct?

    In other words, Blackberry push email DOES NOT use wireless internet, just a cell network. Correct?

    If that's the case - again - correct me if I'm wrong - iPhone (Apple) totally screwed up not arranging a similar deal with cell providers (which provided a visual voicemail at Apple's request, so what the heck not push email???) hence we are still basically banned from Push email on our iPhones. One solution, MobileMe is not really a solution as it uses Wirelless Internet, which then forces the phone to - rather than receive email as it would a phone call/sms - check MobileMe network all the time - which in turn drains our batterries in a matter of hours (and is only a 'simulated push email' - in reality a Pull email). Exchange Active Sync, even if all our companies used MS software and provided this service to us, is simlarily using Internet, hence not true Blackberry-like Push email. Is this all correct, or am I totally mistaken and there is some awesome thing I'm overlooking here...



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    In order to get push email to work RIM (Blackberry) had to get a deal with the cell network provider to send email to the device similarily to as it sends a call to a mobile phone or delivers an SMS message. Correct?
    Not correct. Push email has nothing to do with the network or network agreements. Email can be pushed over any network connection whether it be 3G, Wifi, wired or anything else. Push email availability has to do with the server and the client and whether they support the feature.

    One caveat here is that I don't use Blackberrys so I'm not sure if their push feature only works on the cell network but with most email servers the network does not factor in to the equation.

    Push email was available on 1st gen iphone's utilizing Yahoo's push email. Now exchange is also supported. BTW, enabling push email will drain your battery faster than using a regular polling interval of 5, 15 minutes or manually checking your mail.

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    OK, great: so are you saying that say Yahoo mail server can push email to the iPhone and iPhone can receive it using plain EDGE, 3G, whatever? Wouldn't this require the iPhone's connection to be always on? (which I think it isn't, is it?). You said it was available on the 1st gen phone - how so if it didn't even have this Push feature to keep the connection on? Something doesn't click here.... Not to mention the fact that somehow blackberry can be on for days w/o draining the battery and the push thing on, and the iPhone will be dead quickly as you said. Wouldn't this have something to do with Blackberry using a different technology to keep listening for new emails???

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogi799 View Post
    OK, great: so are you saying that say Yahoo mail server can push email to the iPhone and iPhone can receive it using plain EDGE, 3G, whatever?
    Yes.

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    Wouldn't this require the iPhone's connection to be always on? (which I think it isn't, is it?).
    Yes, once you have it on, it's on.

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    You said it was available on the 1st gen phone - how so if it didn't even have this Push feature to keep the connection on?
    The push feature was there but only for Yahoo mail. Apparently Yahoo didn't have their server configured properly and it wasn't working for some time but it appears they've fixed it and it works now. Read more here.

    Quote Originally Posted by yogi799 View Post
    Something doesn't click here.... Not to mention the fact that somehow blackberry can be on for days w/o draining the battery and the push thing on, and the iPhone will be dead quickly as you said. Wouldn't this have something to do with Blackberry using a different technology to keep listening for new emails???
    If you read some of the battery threads you will see that many people have complained about the battery life on the iphone.

    Blackberry's push technology is proprietary so they may have tweaked it for battery life but keep in mind the iphone has a much bigger screen and if you have the brightness all the way up, 3G or wifi on and you're listening to music or watching videos it just won't last that long and I didn't even throw bluetooth in there.
    Last edited by freit5; 09-16-2008 at 05:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freit5 View Post

    Blackberry's push technology is proprietary so they may have tweaked it for battery life but keep in mind the iphone has a much bigger screen and if you have the brightness all the way up, 3G or wifi on and you're listening to music or watching videos it just won't last that long and I didn't even throw bluetooth in there.
    Screen and all that, I can understand. But won't the Push Data option drain the battery quickly even if you're not using the phone at all? Just by keeping the connection on?


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    Quote Originally Posted by yogi799 View Post
    Screen and all that, I can understand. But won't the Push Data option drain the battery quickly even if you're not using the phone at all? Just by keeping the connection on?
    Yeah, it will definitely drain faster as opposed to putting it on a fetch schedule. But some people have battery issues and others don't. I'm on push with Wifi and about 50 call/day, some music playing and I need to charge at the end of the day.

 

 

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