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    @ everyone: do u think apple will upgrade its baseband to newer version?? they know that new 1.1.2 version cant be unlocked.. just they load out 1.1.3 without baseband upgrade!!

    just think, and THIS IS THE REAL THING, so stop thinking in "baseband upgrade" or something, coz WE DONT GET THAT


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    Quote Originally Posted by RiTch! View Post
    The newly invented turnover from Telco providers is nice, but will die in the long run.
    2 years , by the time iphone 2 will be shipping.
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    Competition might come up with similar, cheaper, full featured , and also improved products that creates the need to either lower selling prices or invest into hard- and software modifications of the iPhone.
    iPhone 2

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    If I was Apple I would make sure the baseband would be hacked, in fact I would create a secret "DevTeam" department within Apple itself to make sure software like AnySim would be spread widely. A hacked iPhone is a guarantee for exploding sales! And increasing sales make the sharehoders happy and willing to invest in the company....
    evry iphone goes for 400 $ assuming that apple makes a profit of 150$ on the sale of the iphone hardware , there major chunk of profit comes from revenues shared by telco's , iphone attributed itunes sale and (soon) 3rd party software.
    Apple doesn't care when you jailbreak and install 3rd party apps on your iphone, but it does care when you unlock it and take away a major chunk of its revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiTch! View Post
    You can see the same thing happening with Microsoft's X-Box 360 and Sony's Playstation 3. Allthough the Playstation 3 is a much nicer and better product, in the end it cannot stand the competition with the X-Box 360, since the X-Box is hacked (you can copy gamedisks). Once the Playstation 3 is hacked, the X-Box 360will need a serious hardware update to keep the thing interesting for the public.
    360 has been unlocked....You must be kidding me!!!!
    if this is the case then why dont i see XBMC on the 360, or why aren't the market flooded with cheap asian pirated games (like in the ps2/xbox days)
    all you can do at this moment is make copies of your own games and run them, you can not run them on any other xbox.
    its kinda like jailbreaking without unlocking.

    if you in any way want to suggest that M$ has been helping hackers then how would you explain the blown e-fuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiTch! View Post
    One other thing that keeps coming up everywhere on this forum is that people are scared that any new firmware will break their iPhone.
    Quote Originally Posted by RiTch! View Post
    I really don't see this happen and I seriously see no gain here for Apple. After all it is in Apple's best interest to keep happy and satisfied customers. I think they will understand it is not very professional nor wise to get back at their customers just because they "played" with "their" product, knowing they paid good money for it.
    you obviusly were not around when the 1.0.2>1.1.1 fiasco happened.


    Quote Originally Posted by RiTch! View Post
    [The one that benefits most by unlocking the iPhone, is not the individual sod that has bought the product, but Apple!!!
    it mainly helps people who sell unlocked iPhones on ebay

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    Mark my words: Right after Christmas when sales go down you wil see a unlock solution for the iPhone fw 1.1.2 as well as a firmware hack for the Playstation 3.

    Have a good one and be patient!!!
    so all the people waiting for 1.1.1 ootb unlock and the ps3 unlock can hold you accountable if the unlock dont surface????

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    fallenczar you made the point i was going to earilier
    apple have already got iphone 2nd gen in the pipe line
    its meant to have 3g instead of edge
    just imagine how hard they will make that to hack
    as they will probably want to make even more profit due too loosing thousands from unlocked iphones,,
    Just my toughts

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    Apple will probably offer the Iphone 2 unlocked[at a higher price] directly from their website. It will most likely do the same with the iPhone that is currently in general circulation. The market will force them to do this because there are a few (and better imho) copy cats that will hit the market soon [ ex. check out the Meizu m8/MiniOne ] . I'm sure Nokia and SE are working on a similar model as we speak. If you don't believe me then just look at the Moto Razr v3 . Every single manufacturer has stolen the form factor from Moto and actually improved it[UI, camera, battery life].
    Last edited by ibnturab; 12-21-2007 at 09:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibnturab View Post
    just look at the Moto Razr v3 . Every single manufacturer has stolen that design from Moto and actually improved it while keeping a similar form factor.
    True,,
    Give it two years and we will all have touch screen phones


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    Quote Originally Posted by 12guillote View Post
    Guys,

    Don't you think that the apple developers are reading this forum and know in advance all our plans.

    And to be honest, the easier the unlock the more phones they sell. Never forget that all these is for money and revenues.

    Regards and happy holidays!
    This is just what is happening, pretty sure!!!! We post sources, exploits, and all to let them know what they need to know... and they are happy with us! we are helping them have a stronger iPhone.

    Im SURE they wont send 1.1.3 with a new baseband, they now know we need it to unlock... we are telling the enemy our attack plans... but this we cant avoid it, there is no other way to communicate without letting them know, this is open, thats why we have free unlocking.

    The thing here is for sure... Apple wants his share of the unlocking business, so they are trying to be confident nobody can unlock the "exclusive ATT iPhone so they can then.. release their own officialy unlocked iPhone for a bit more, lets say 100-150USD, dont you think so?

    And because ATT exclusivity is not forever...
    Last edited by luigidelgado; 12-21-2007 at 10:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibnturab View Post
    Apple will probably offer the Iphone 2 unlocked[at a higher price] directly from their website. It will most likely do the same with the iPhone that is currently in general circulation. The market will force them to do this because there are a few (and better imho) copy cats that will hit the market soon [ ex. check out the Meizu m8/MiniOne ] . I'm sure Nokia and SE are working on a similar model as we speak. If you don't believe me then just look at the Moto Razr v3 . Every single manufacturer has stolen the form factor from Moto and actually improved it[UI, camera, battery life].
    and that is why the first public announcement about 3g iphone 2 came from a telco

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiTch! View Post
    I understand unlocking iPhones is a thing that keeps a lot of people very busy on this forum. I don't think Apple makes such a big deal out of the whole thing. Mind you; Apple is a professional hardware company with a commercial point of view that needs to keep the shareholders happy, and ofcourse the customers happy. Also they are more concerned about the competition that will introduce new compatitive products than about people that want to make calls without restrictions.

    After all: Apple is a hardware company that makes it's sales and profits with selling quantities at the best possible pricing. The newly invented turnover from Telco providers is nice, but will die in the long run. Competition might come up with similar, cheaper, full featured , and also improved products that creates the need to either lower selling prices or invest into hard- and software modifications of the iPhone.

    If I was Apple I would make sure the baseband would be hacked, in fact I would create a secret "DevTeam" department within Apple itself to make sure software like AnySim would be spread widely. A hacked iPhone is a guarantee for exploding sales! And increasing sales make the sharehoders happy and willing to invest in the company...

    You can see the same thing happening with Microsoft's X-Box 360 and Sony's Playstation 3. Allthough the Playstation 3 is a much nicer and better product, in the end it cannot stand the competition with the X-Box 360, since the X-Box is hacked (you can copy gamedisks). Once the Playstation 3 is hacked, the X-Box 360will need a serious hardware update to keep the thing interesting for the public.

    One other thing that keeps coming up everywhere on this forum is that people are scared that any new firmware will break their iPhone. I really don't see this happen and I seriously see no gain here for Apple. After all it is in Apple's best interest to keep happy and satisfied customers. I think they will understand it is not very professional nor wise to get back at their customers just because they "played" with "their" product, knowing they paid good money for it.

    The old saying "Do not bite the hand that feeds you" falls right into place here.

    I see Apple as a professional company with a inventive perspective on how to make products that interests the general public. They know any lock can be picked. The iPhone is no exception, can and will be unlocked in due time. Any encryption made by man, can be decrypted by another.

    The one that benefits most by unlocking the iPhone, is not the individual sod that has bought the product, but Apple!!!

    Mark my words: Right after Christmas when sales go down you wil see a unlock solution for the iPhone fw 1.1.2 as well as a firmware hack for the Playstation 3.

    Have a good one and be patient!!!
    I dont agree at all with you.

    You forgot something:

    1. Apple earns money for every new iPhone contract, so they WANT people to go with ATT, Orange and all the carreirs they have contracts with.
    2. The real business of Apple is no longer Hardware.... last year they earned more money with music from iTunes (EDIT: my bad, not from iTunes itself which is 10% of revenue, but Music business (iPods included) for Apple represents almost 36% in 2006, and expect to be more than 50% in 2007) than from selling computers. What they want is people downloading music from a single touch in their iPhones and iPod Touch... that is money.
    3. What thay may need is not having their own Dev Team, why if we all post their solutions here for FREE? They are very thankfull and they are making a more robust new iPhone...
    4. They will compensate and even earn more money by having exclusivity contracts with main carriers all over the world that selling for unlocking... the common user (not the ones like us that come here to discuss, explain tech solutions and look for a unlocking solution) want an easy, warranty covered, trouble free upgrade and "legal" (a lot of people may think unlocking is illegal) iPhones.
    5. In fact is not that they want their baseband to be hacked... they want to test it. They want THEIR share about all this, they are testing it so to be hard enough to make unlocking expensive and/or selling their unlocked warranty covered, upgrade free of trouble iPhone. Remeber, for Apple the iPhone is just the tool (EDIT: think I was rude here.. its not "just a tool" its the perfect match for their entertainment content download busienss, they both give Apple lots of money)for people downloading content, by now is just music... but will surely go into video market.
    6. There is no such a thing like unlocked "BIG" market... the thing here is unlocking is covering what Apple is not... its a matter of time before Apple covers the world making business with local Carreirs all over the world, like every other phone company. Unlocking will still be there but the business will be sticking to a carrier.
    7. Maybe there will be a solution after Christmas... maybe not... ATT is very mad with Apple and for Apple not everything is money, thay want happy partners for long time business... the future is about communications and computer merging.
    Last edited by luigidelgado; 12-21-2007 at 11:21 PM.
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    Time will tell guys... I did not post here trying to convince anybody about anything. Everybody here is getting so edgy because the solution looks so far away. I don't own any wisdom, but selling iPhones in huge quantities for the best possible price is any commercial company's aim and that's what shareholders expect for their money. Apple is not a company driven by ideology...

    iPhones have sold very well in the past months. I have an iPhone since August and I live in the Netherlands where the thing has not been launched yet. A friend in New York had to buy it there and DHL it over to me. So many iPhones have been sold to people like me... Since fw 1.1.2, until just about now people still bought the iPhone with the intention to unlock with the confidence an unlocking solution is on the way. The number of these buyers will decrease and Apple will notice that. Mind you not everybody is willing to change their telco-provider just to use the iPhone at a more expensive rate.

    Also at Chrismas time people buy anything to please their loved ones so iPhone sales will be good and promising. Once the Holliday Season is over Apple will see a huge drop in sales and Steve Jobs is not a stupid guy. The only solution at that point is to make sure it will be hacked again. After that sales will go sky-high again, provided the Samsung's, Nokia's, Meizu's, SE's, etc. have not come up with a better alternative.

    Telco-companies will be pissed again and Apple, whilst claiming they can never prevent these unwanted circumstances, will come up with another firmware update. And so the story continues.

    Just use common sense and be patient. It makes no sense to get angry or frustrated over a cellphone! Buy it if you can use (read: unlock) it, but look for a better solution at one of the abovementioned manufacturers or elsewhere. And you can rest assure better alternatives are on the way... That is good for us and a nightmare for companies like Apple that are deaf to customer needs and demands..

    Time will tell my friends, time will tell...
    Last edited by RiTch!; 12-21-2007 at 11:04 PM.

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    @Luigidelgado: I agree Apple aims for selling content and the iPhone is a tool for it. But don't you agree if a tool is required to buy the content, Apple would be better off with as many tools around as possible? Taken your point in consideration, maybe they should give away free unlocked iPhones to make sure anybody is able to buy their content....

    Also there may be help from an unexpected direction. You say Apple wants long term business with happy partners. A happy Telco is a selling, competing and profitable company. If they have to give 30% of their turnover to Apple and have to present expensive plans to the customers just because Apple requires them to do so I doubt they will stay happy in the long run.

    Also other, competing Telco's might be willing to put some effort in unlocking the iPhone via a secret "DevTeam". As long as they can sell phone-secs they are happy, and they don't need Apple along side.

    Anyway, it starts to look like a "conspiracy theory" thread now.
    I wish you all peacefull and patient Christmas!


 

 
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