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    Well it looks like we not only have SMSs and MMSs here in Spain. I was receiving my "texts" (sounds weird here in the UE) normally from friends and some automatic services and this morning, as I was to confirm a bank transaction via SMS it happened... The SMS didn't arrive, so had to change the SIM card to an OMG how ugly piece of sh.. old phone and repeat the process to get the SMS...

    Suppose nobody's got a way to solve this, don'r you?...



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    iphone doesnt like sms`s from non number senders.

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    OIC! that's exactly what happened!
    The sender (as extracted from the OMG how could I've been using this for so long old phone) was in this case SANTANDER...

    I suppose there's nothing to do... yet. (cause there's no way to create a contact in the contact list whose "number" is SANTANDER or whatever).

    Guess we will have to wait for a UE firmware revision in order to get this working...

    Thanks for the info!

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    yeah anyone know why sms are wird on my iphone? If i turn off my phone and turn it on later I dont get the messages I should have gotten while the phone was off. It works on other phones. whats up with the iphone

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    Quote Originally Posted by goathead View Post
    yeah anyone know why sms are wird on my iphone? If i turn off my phone and turn it on later I dont get the messages I should have gotten while the phone was off. It works on other phones. whats up with the iphone
    "What's up with the iPhone?" Well put. This is a question that I think many of us keep asking ourselves these days. Actually, we should add a "what's up with Apple?" question as well. But anyway....

    Re: SMS. They're weird on EVERYONE's iPhone! Concerning your particular problem, I've never run into it. If I switch my phone off before going to the movies, I receive the messages when I switch it on again. Your MNO is behind this "resend until successful or timeout function" and not the iPhone. If the messages are Web messages or similar, don't worry because this is normal. Norrmal for the iPhone, but not normal for other phones.

    Functionally, the iPhone receives SMS messages like all other GSM phones -- i.e. the message is received by the BB and the BB informs the CPU and ....blah, blah, blah, copies the SMS from the SIM and populates the SMS.db, blah, blah, blah and then sends you a tiny, winnie little bitty buzz (that no one can feel or hear). The fact that you're missing your SMS when the phone is off is not a problem, since even when it's on you don't notice them!). Ok, I'm not interested in a iBrate.app buzz, but come-on now Apple!

    What the iPhone doesn't know how to do, however, is interpret what's technically know as "Flash" SMS messages and act upon them. These are the non-numeric messages that everyone keeps talking about that the iPhone doesn't support for reasons that only Apple knows -- i.e. perhaps it's just that their GSM marketing research people are not very good.....(I think the director of the group lied about their knowledge of GSM technology in the EMEA/Asia)

    Rumor has it that support for Flash SMS messages has not been added/corrected in version 1.1.1 either.

    Finallly, SMS suppport on the iPhone is really junk. Aside for sending/receiving some types of SMS, you can't really do anything! Sorry, wait, that's not necessarily true. The iPhone's SMS app is unique that it doesn't take much to corrupt the SMS.db and to fix it -- get this -- you have to SSH to the phone or use an installed application like VTerm or MobileFinder to delete it. Not cool? How many other phones allow you to do that?

    Like Steve Jobs said, the iPhone is really ahead of it's time. Perhaps, but not where SMS are concerned. My Nokia 2020, 10 years ago knew how to do more tricks with SMS than the iPhone!
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    wow thank you very much for that info snowbird. my friends tell me they sms from their phones when my phone is off. when I turn it on it doesnt get them.

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    Thank you Snowbird, now I know a lot more of why some get in and some not. Do you think the problem is at the BB or is it just the buggy SMS App not understanding Flash SMSs? If the latter, people at Hong Kong just released a chinese SMS app a couple of days ago, so maybe a new SMS App could be developed (especially by someone with real knowledge on GSM and not only apples...

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    Hey snowbird does deleting the SMS.db fix the incoming SMS problem?
    More importantly, with a restart, would the phone regenerate a SMS.db file and work fine. or is a restore needed after?

    i unlocked a phone for someone and they are having that problem (the only one of the 7 i have unlocked - and another was done on the same day with no errors - bought from the same store)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bezman View Post
    Hey snowbird does deleting the SMS.db fix the incoming SMS problem?
    More importantly, with a restart, would the phone regenerate a SMS.db file and work fine. or is a restore needed after?

    i unlocked a phone for someone and they are having that problem (the only one of the 7 i have unlocked - and another was done on the same day with no errors - bought from the same store)
    bezman, if you're talking about the Flash SMS problem (i.e. non numeric messages not being delivered), the answer is no. Deleting the SMS.db won't help with this since this is a firmware related issue.

    Re: deleting the SMS.db. Yes, the phone will automatically regenerate the file and iTunes will recopy the last one that it backed up back down to your phone (very interesting question arrises from this....IF you're SMS.db is corrupt and you sync your iPhone, what happens? Will it 1) copy your corrupt version to iTunes or 2) realise that you're SMS.db is corrupt and copy back down an older, working one? -- Something to test....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanxx View Post
    Thank you Snowbird, now I know a lot more of why some get in and some not. Do you think the problem is at the BB or is it just the buggy SMS App not understanding Flash SMSs? If the latter, people at Hong Kong just released a chinese SMS app a couple of days ago, so maybe a new SMS App could be developed (especially by someone with real knowledge on GSM and not only apples...
    My BB is 04.01.13_G (1.1.1) and my firmware 1.0.2. For testing reasons, I upgraded my iPhone and then downloaded the phone back to 1.0.2. I can confirm with 100% certainty that the 1.1.1 BB does not help anything as far as Flash SMS are concerned.

    In terms of the actual mechanics of an SMS, the radio (BB) receives the SMS and informs the CPU to recover this message and then store it on your SIM card (depending on the phone and intelligence of the BB, sometimes the BB can do the write itself -- don't know if the s-gold2 can, since like everyone else in this forum I’m missing the remaining 1092 out of 1100 pages of the manual).

    At which point, the CPU (using setting information that it has hashed regarding how to inform the user of a newly received SMS) recovers this SMS from the SIM and sqlites the SMS (in a matter of speaking) into the SMS.db and then let's you know it's there by 1) updating the SMS message button by 1 and playing a sound or via a buzz (up to you to decide).

    The problem is that the iPhone only knows partly what to do with flash SMS. Normal SMS are not a problem as we all realise. Clearly the BB (version 1.0.2/1.1.1) and CPU (assuming that the CPU does the write and not the BB on the iPhone), knows how to deal with Flash SMS as anyone who has researched this problem will tell you – i.e. if you remove your SIM after it has received a Flash SMS and put it in another GSM, your GSM will immediately display the Flash SMS.

    So what’s the problem? Well what’s obvious to me (despite the missing 1092 pages of Infineon’s technical document) is that the firmware has not been taught to act upon Flash SMS messages since they are either 1) not recognised as being in the format that the iPhone firmware is expecting or 2) some other reason that I can’t think of now…..

    In conclusion, for me the problem is not the BB, but with the firmware. And as mentioned above, it seems that FM 1.1.1 does not correct this problem either which leads me to believe that Apple will be putting a new firmware out within the next few weeks in preparation for their UK realise of the iPhone (they better, because here in the EMEA we tend to use Flash messaging for lots of things).

    This having all been said, perhaps this problem will never be fixed, since the iPhone was never supposed to work with vMail other than Visual Voicemail and the fact that Google/Skype/etc users can’t send iPhone owners an SMS is not a problem as far as Apple is concerned. These guys should just change their formatting in line with the standards. I’m sure that Apple is planning to come up with their own iSMS messaging facilities that they will sell to both Google/Skype to communicate with the iPhone and have both pay them kickback for the right to do so (I’m exaggerating of course and don’t really believe this, but Apple is so full of surprises these days that I wouldn’t be amazed by such an announcement).
    Last edited by Snowbird; 10-02-2007 at 02:32 PM.


 

 
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