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    The main reason for locking the iphones is to guarantee ipod touch sells.
    People are going to get an unlocked iphone instead of ipod touch if the iphone can be unlocked easily.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aviegas View Post
    There are several aspects we should consider:

    1) Why is Apple making such statements: because they want to protect their hefty deals with the carriers for the exclusivity of being the only carrier with iPhone in different countries. It's just about money. There are still several markets for them to explore and being lenient about the unlock process is negative for their negotiation.

    2) How serious are they into the cat and mouse game? They will make some efforts, but I'm not sure it will be impossible to overcome. They want the best of both worlds: unlocked iPhones means tapping into territories that they would not reach in the near future and boost iPhone sales. The same applies to applications, even for those that are running locked iPhones. They are not stupid.

    3) A firmware upgrade over a unlocked iPhone will brick it? I doubt it will happen. The unlock rewrites the baseband firmware and all they can do is rewrite the baseband back, locking it again. Irreparable damage? I fail to see how this could happen. For me the statement is vague, non-technical and aimed at scarring people from doing it, or at least showing Apple's partners that they are "doing something".

    4) There are some things that will remain constant, at least this version of the iPhone: the recovery process and the connector. It's fixed and the recovery it's just a bootstrap. So some things will remain the same in the communication protocol. the iPod touch may already have a different recovery, but if Apple can use it to change the code inside the phone, so can others.

    5) Signed applications: it is possible, but there are some issues and workarounds. It is possible to patch the code to allow more that one public key (Apple's and the "other"). But the ARM processor is not powerful enough to spend most of the time checking for signatures in every piece of software that runs. Also there is the quick and dirty approach: a patch to replace the Apple key and resign all signed binaries and replace them. It is doable.
    Your points are flawless. I have been trying to say this for days now. People, CALM DOWN.

    If you have an unlocked iPhone, you're fine. Just don't upgrade 'til the Dev Team gives you the OK.

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    i am very happy with the iphone and wont update for sure, is there is a problem if i buy music from itunes, then disconnect internet and sync my iphone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhayek View Post
    i am very happy with the iphone and wont update for sure, is there is a problem if i buy music from itunes, then disconnect internet and sync my iphone?
    No. You don't need to disconnect from the internet either. Coward :p (just kidding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locked View Post
    No. You don't need to disconnect from the internet either. Coward :p (just kidding)
    kidding about what? me being a coward? when it comes to loose my beloved iphone, yes i am a big coward or kidding about disconnecting internet on sync?


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    Comment to oxeneers:

    You're right, but there might be a different way Apple could lockdown their OS on the iPhone. Let's say they modify their bootloader to enumerate all executables, compute their MD5s and verify the signature of that with Apples public key. Maybe there are too many executables on the iPhone to make this practical, but that's an alternative approach than verifying every executable individually upon launch.

    Of course, no solution will be fool proof for hardware unlocking. You can always open up the phone and make changes to the firmware or whatever (adding another public key, remove the verification, etc.) Either way, I trust that Apple will get some serious competition by other vendors and if they (Apple) don't relax their constraints then another vendor will take over. If Nokia, Microsoft, or someone else can come up with a touch high resolution screen with excellent contrast, then I'll switch to that and maybe we can start creating our own open operating system (maybe based on Linux) ?

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    The best way forward is to complain.

    Complain to Apple. You did buy thieir product.
    Complain to news agencies.
    Complain to local political reps.
    Complain to regulatory boards.
    Complain to antitrust boards.
    Complain to your consumer rights boards.

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    hmm.. don' t you love the smell of a class action lawsuit?

    If they do lock it back up i hope pple in the US who do get bricked file somekind of lawsuit... i though it was legal to unlock a phone there? so there must be some legal bg to force apple to re-unlock the phones

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmatt View Post
    Complain to Apple. You did buy thieir product.
    Their product that says "Only on AT&T".

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    Default I am very scared about bricking my iphone

    If you are very scared about what apple has said don't worry, you don't need to update the firmware because your iphone already works great without a firmeware update.
    Also I am sure that because the iphone works like a small computer, I don't see how can the iphone is going to be blocked only by transfering some software.

    What apple has said is that they are not responsible for third party apps, more than saying that the will lock your iphone.

    Don't get scared by the words from Apple and be Happy, for what ever firmware update apple will release there is always be a unlock.

    * When the firmware is launched don't be so silly to install it, wait for others to test it and then check here before you install it.


 

 

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