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    Exclamation How Apple unlocks the iPhone in Germany.

    Just to let the world know.
    In a forum in the Netherlands a guy (original post:http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ssage/29131396)
    has bought a unlocked iPhone in Germany (Yes for €999,-).
    He explains that the gets the same iPhone as the people who are buying it with a
    T-Mobile 2-year montly subscription. However T-Mobile is calling Apple that they have sold you a iPhone that has to be unlocked. Apple than changes something in you Apple-store account (can take up to 24 hours). If you than activate it at home you will have a unlocked iPhone.

    Don't ask me anymore details because I just wanted to bring this under the attention of the dev team. I didn't bought it my self I'm only the messenger



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    Well if that guy could send that iphone to dev team then I guess they would find the solution for all firmwares and bootloaders

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    ok, thx for the news.
    So there's a method to unlock the phone througth iTunes...

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    Interesting. Any way to do this again with a listener device between iTunes and the iPhone?

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    They send the IMEI of your phone to apple and they put the phones on a whitelist.

    After 24h you can activate the phone via itunes..

    But i still donīt know how they get the simlock out of the phone which is integrated in the firmware?!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by StefanM View Post
    They send the IMEI of your phone to apple and they put the phones on a whitelist.

    After 24h you can activate the phone via itunes..

    But i still donīt know how they get the simlock out of the phone which is integrated in the firmware?!!
    I'd guess the unlocking mechanism is integrated into iTunes 7.5. Once iTunes is told by the activation server that the phone is whitelisted, it unlocks the phone permanently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawiz View Post
    I'd guess the unlocking mechanism is integrated into iTunes 7.5. Once iTunes is told by the activation server that the phone is whitelisted, it unlocks the phone permanently.

    dawiz
    yes, but it must be some king of "special" activation. because then they must remove the check for valid SIM on your phone.

    So, it won't be easy...but there's a way maybe...

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    i don't want to dissapoint you but prolly they sent a certificate abou the specific IMEI that the baseband can accept... sth like an unlock code....

    However it is not possible to calculate the unlock code from the IMEI (only Apple can that has the private key).

    The baseband can check if the certificate key is valid (using the IMEI) and it unlocks itself

    So i don't think that any kind of sniffing will help..
    (just guessing)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAF1 View Post
    Just to let the world know.
    In a forum in the Netherlands a guy (original post:http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ssage/29131396)
    has bought a unlocked iPhone in Germany (Yes for €999,-).
    He explains that the gets the same iPhone as the people who are buying it with a
    T-Mobile 2-year montly subscription. However T-Mobile is calling Apple that they have sold you a iPhone that has to be unlocked. Apple than changes something in you Apple-store account (can take up to 24 hours). If you than activate it at home you will have a unlocked iPhone.

    Don't ask me anymore details because I just wanted to bring this under the attention of the dev team. I didn't bought it my self I'm only the messenger
    I figured this much, that iTunes would check the phone during its "activation", but this still doesn't explain how the firmware accepts anysim without being unlocked? Or does it display a sim error until it's activated with iTunes? And does it do it everytime a new sim is installed? Many questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    Well if that guy could send that iphone to dev team then I guess they would find the solution for all firmwares and bootloaders
    You guys don't seem to understand, let me explain it to you in more detail:

    1. you go to a local T-Mobile shop and ask for an unlocked iPhone for 999 Euro
    2. the sales person calls a special number at T-Mobile to pass on the IMEI for the iPhone to be unlocked (alternative: the customer calls but it isn't recommended because it could delay the process)
    3. T-Mobile sends the IMEI of the iPhone to be unlocked to Apple
    4. Apple flags the IMEI on their servers as "unlocked"

    Meaning: the "unlocked" iPhone works with the same firmware and baseband like the locked ones, there is no difference. The difference happens during the activation process where Apple sends some sort of IMEI-dependent code to allow all SIM cards.

    Here's the catch: EACH TIME you connect the iPhone to iTunes, the code is re-checked to make sure that this iPhone is authorized to be unlocked. This "check" doesn't happen locally with iTunes but it happens remotely on the Apple servers, meaning that it is almost impossible to program some sort of keycode generator to fool the activation/registration process of iTunes/Apple servers.
    Theoretically (actually it IS possible), Apple could remove the unlock from the currently sold unlocked T-Mobile iPhones if they want to, for example if the court dismisses Vodafone's allegations. Of course they won't do it, T-Mobile can't afford to sell unlocked iPhones and then re-lock them again, this would not hold up in court and it won't happen.

    The only thing which may be interesting is the initial activation/registration process with iTunes when you connect the unlocked iPhone for the first time.
    Even if we find a method to generate a fake code, the next time the iPhone connects to iTunes, iTunes sends the code and the IMEI to Apple for verification and of course this would fail the verification process.

    I know, some people don't want to use iTunes, so maybe this would be a way to get an unlocked iPhone but with a limited functionality.

    Another thing: iTunes 7.5 seems to be pretty mean. Apparently it deactivates an already activated iPhone if it detects an "unauthorized" SIM card inside the SIM tray. I'm pretty sure that with the introduction of the iPhone in France and it's unlocked version, Apple made sure that the whole IMEI registration process is fool proof and I doubt there is a way to spoof the IMEI of one unlocked iPhone to make dozends of others unlocked. Apple would surely detect this through iTunes.

    Furthermore: we don't know if the iPhone sends some sort of identification to Apple servers when connected to the internet. The whole stock market app "scandal" actually shows that the iPhone actually sends some ident code (based on the IMEI) to providers, maybe even to Apple.

    To make it short: don't be too excited about the unlocked iPhone in Germany or France. If you buy one, be happy with it, it will stay unlocked. If you're hoping for a hack/crack based on the method how Apple unlocks these phones based on the IMEI, I highly doubt it.

    It is also my understanding (I'll find out tomorrow when I get my hands on a friend's officially unlocked iPhone) that you need to connect to iTunes EACH TIME you insert a new SIM in it. The new SIM deactivates the iPhone when connected to iTunes and then you need to re-activate using the new SIM (which of course isn't a problem since the phone's IMEI is flagged as "unlocked" on the Apple servers).
    I know for sure tomorrow, so please be patient, I get the unlocked iPhone for one whole day to play around with and I'll post all observations in a seperate thread.

    Here's btw a little rumour for you guys: according to an Apple source, Apple will introduce a completely new firmware, bb and bootloader with the introduction of the SDK next year. Apparently Apple wants to "seperate" the base software/programs from the third party stuff, so there will be some sort of safe "virtual" environment where the third party apps can be installed to to make sure they don't crash/destroy the iPhones base firmware/bb/bootloader. This apparently requires a complete re-programming of the current firmware/bootloader.
    Last edited by 997TT; 11-22-2007 at 12:45 PM.


 

 
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