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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    Well that was the point... How can an iPhone activate itself and unlock if there is nothing writing to its firmware or/and baseband? I mean you can connect to itunes you can activate like you said in server side but if you plug your phone off the computer then if the firmware or/and baseband isnt touched it will still be unactivated/unlocked.
    iTunes must write/patch something to the firmware and baseband to make it activated and unlocked. That was my theory if they give the dev team one phone like that and they can find out what and how was written in the firmware and baseband then it would be I guess the best hack untill now.
    You don't seem to understand: what is the iPhone good for if I NEVER EVER can connect it to iTunes again, meaning no future updates, no recovery (possible with iTunes ONLY), no buying songs/TV shows/etc..

    I really don't understand why people would use the iPhone without iTunes because there are better "phones" out there but the very special thing about the iPhone is the combination between the iPhone, internet and iTunes. Of course the GUI is great and everything but without iTunes account and buying stuff at iTunes, the iPhone is a nice toy, nothing more in my opinion.

    Getting back to the internet connection: of course I can use a 1.1.1 iPhone for the next 10 years without having to care about any counter-measures Apple takes to block me from using it. What's the point? If you don't connect the iPhone to the internet through iTunes, many features, updates, bugfixes, security fixes, etc. won't be available to you. Maybe some people don't care and just want to have a fancy shiny toy in their pocket to show off but I and others are actually USERS who really USE the iPhone on a daily basis, including iTunes and the iTunes shop.
    The iPhone is special because of iTunes too, without iTunes and the stuff available at the iTunes shop, the iPhone is castrated. Of course I can convert (illegally) DVDs to watch them on the iPhone, of course I can download free MP3 stuff from the internet to listen to on the iPhone but is it really worth all the hassle? Aren't there better media players for this stuff on the market? (hint: my Archos 504 has 160 GB and currently holds over 100(!) movies and 300 songs).

    For me(us?), the only REAL unlock/activation hack is the one which permits a FULL usage of the iPhone, including iTunes, including officially available third party apps next year, incl. updates, incl. recovery, etc.
    If people can live with "crippled" iPhones, just use a 1.1.1 iPhone with the 4.01.xx baseband and I'm sure the basic functions will work til the end of days.


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    So when you buy the phone from T-Mo and have them ring it in what happens before you activate with iTunes if you stick in a Vodaphone SIM for example? Do you get the customary invalid SIM message? And if so does activating with iTunes resolve this? And if so, what happens if you then put another provider's SIM in (not Voda or T-Mo, but someone else's)? If nothing happens and the phone accepts the new SIM then the phone is completely unlocked and whatever iTunes did to unlock the phone should be thoroughly investigated to see if it can be replicated on other 1.1.2 phones. The current methods of unlocking are a pain in the ass due to the level of steps needed to restore or upgrade.

    Just a thought about iTunes -- who cares if iTunes checks everytime you connect the iPhone to it? Because if the phone is truly unlocked at that point simply find a way to crack the file on the phone that iTunes accesses to do the check, or turn off your internet before loading iTunes. Someone with a proper unlocked iphone should do these things:

    1) Insert foreign SIM prior to activation to see what happens
    2) Sniff the port to see what iTunes does to activate, also document any and all changes made to the software, FW and BB and BL to the iPhone (complicated i agree)
    3) Turn off their internet and reload iTunes and see if you can still sync, etc without it "re-checking" the phone.
    4) Insert another foreign SIM and see what the phone does (whether it's completely locked or simply unlocked for the previous SIM)

    My guess is iTunes validates and activates the phone just like it does with current legit phones, but in this instance it also unlocks it completely (meaning use whatever SIM). However I would guess that when it comes to restoring the phone or when upgrading the software when it comes time to activate the phone with iTunes again it will re-authorise that validity of the unlock. However this may not mean the phone has been re-locked (likely impossible to re-lock it and unlock multiple times due to the counters). What is more likely is that it's simply un-activated with iTunes at that point just like any other iphone after an upgrade or restore! And we all know how easy it is to get around iTunes activation.

    I honestly believe people are complicating this and making it more sinister on Apple's part than it really is. I'm not saying the unlock provided via iTunes will be easy or even possible to recreate, however I don't believe one has to worry over iTunes so much after it's done the initial activation and unlock (just like current locked phones), because at that point it's done and it's unlikely to redo the process unless the phone has been restored or upgraded, which, again is exactly how it is now for valid contracted customers. Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimnickyy View Post
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    i completely agree with you point of view. i would also like to say just dont let us be too paranoid until we know for sure what really happens tomorrow.

    i can activate after 14.00cet, and maybe 997TT will likely have the chance to do so a bit earlier tomorrow. so lets stick around for any news tomorrow

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    So you nevhada and 997TT have actually paid the 999 euros for the unlocked T Mobile handsets and you should get your iPhones unlocked tomorrow? Are you both part of the dev team? Do you know what to do to record any information sent and recieved via iTunes and then how to work that data into something that we could use to unlock our handsets if possible?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuppy View Post
    So you nevhada and 997TT have actually paid the 999 euros for the unlocked T Mobile handsets and you should get your iPhones unlocked tomorrow? Are you both part of the dev team? Do you know what to do to record any information sent and recieved via iTunes and then how to work that data into something that we could use to unlock our handsets if possible?

    Thanks
    yes i got one, but i am not a developer at all, just a user.


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    So is the phone still "locked"; but told to ignore it like what anySIM does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    Well that was the point... How can an iPhone activate itself and unlock if there is nothing writing to its firmware or/and baseband? I mean you can connect to itunes you can activate like you said in server side but if you plug your phone off the computer then if the firmware or/and baseband isnt touched it will still be unactivated/unlocked.
    iTunes must write/patch something to the firmware and baseband to make it activated and unlocked. That was my theory if they give the dev team one phone like that and they can find out what and how was written in the firmware and baseband then it would be I guess the best hack untill now.
    No, I wasn't saying that nothing was written to the firmware or baseband.

    There are two components to the legitimate unlock. One is to remove the SIM lock from the basebanc, and this must involve something being written to the baseband firmware - this part of the process could be cracked, snooped on or whatever, and used on other phones, I guess.

    The other component is activation for any SIM, and my point was that Apple seem not to be bothering with a firmware change for this part - they are simply reactivating via their servers every time the SIM is changed. Yes, this does indeed write a file to the firmware, but it would seem that it is *not* writing a file that activates for every SIM; this is exactly the same mechanism as they use at the moment, but for the IMEI of an unlocked handset, the server will send a new activation key every time the SIM is changed. So this part is purely a server-code change, not a firmware change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimnickyy View Post
    So when you buy the phone from T-Mo and have them ring it in what happens before you activate with iTunes if you stick in a Vodaphone SIM for example? Do you get the customary invalid SIM message? ....
    it says: "Incorrect Sim - Insert an unlocked and valid Sim to activate iPhone"


    Quote Originally Posted by slimnickyy View Post
    .... And if so does activating with iTunes resolve this? ......
    well see tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by nehvada View Post
    it says: "Incorrect Sim - Insert an unlocked and valid Sim to activate iPhone"




    well see tomorrow
    Please tell me you are going to attempt to get some information out of this as to what is being transmitted from iPhone>iTunes>Apple?

    Can't imagine many people will actually spend the 999e for one of these so whatever you get could be the limited info we can get.

    Please please try and grab as much info as possible.

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    I am really looking forward to more facts, because the discussion seems rather theoretical at this point.

    Anyway has anyone thought about how many iPhones have been sold without valid “ticket”? Most of the articles I found already wrote about 250,000 even back in October and I would assume today, this number has increased much further. And even most of the services related to jailbreaked phones are free of charge, I have never seen a similar development on any other actually “locked” device. Have you counted the number of posts on this board, I guess there is no similar site that could ever compete against this traffic.

    Apple will of course continue the battle against unlock efforts, but as much as they dislike the fact to loose on AT&T traffic revenue, they are probably not that stupid and expel a paying iTunes customer with a slightly modified iPhone. Every iTunes user will eventually start buying from the store sometime and generate revenue for Apple, even without an AT&T contract. If they didn’t intend to have unlocked phones on the market, why would they sell iPhones without a signed contract in the first place? In Europe this is common practise for years, just like t-mobile and O2 are practising it in Germany and UK.

    With the masters early experience in hacking telecommunications I would doubt Apple didn’t already expect this to happen and by locking the 250,000 and counting phones they would loose iTunes and accessory revenue on top. They will of course tease us with new upgrades, but I doubt they will go for the complete lockdown. After all they have a long history of tolerating and encouraging “modifications” to their products.


 

 

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