Originally Posted by ldhilljr

I believe it reacts to the SIM inserted in the sense that if the SIM is from an unsupported country, the phone has the keypad/crashing problems.

I believe that the initial numbers of each SIM's ICCID number identify the country of the SIM.

Example: I have an iPhone upgraded to 1.1.2 which has been SIM-unlocked, and is using the patched lockdownd file to bypass the activation issues. I'm currently in the US (a supported country because Apple is selling the iPhone here through ATT). My T-Mobile US SIM works without any problems, and without any need to modify the phone in the way that iWorld does. I also have an Orange UK SIM that works without any problems as well. Again, the UK is a supported country, so no need to modify the phone in the way that iWorld does.

Note that my Orange UK SIM is "roaming" here in the US on the ATT network, whereas my T-Mobile SIM makes use of my domestic T-Mobile network.

If I were to insert a SIM from the Dominican Republic into my iPhone, and then boot up the phone, my phone should think of itself as a Dominican phone that is roaming on a US network. But since the iPhone can't handle a Dominican phone (i.e., a Dominican SIM), the keypad/crash issues result. But if I modify the AppSupport file to include the codes necessary for the Dominican Republic, my phone should work.

Actually though it's more like the phone is reacting to not having the proper country code and format information in AppSupport rather than SIM support. When I first inserted a T-Mobile UK SIM into my unlocked 1.1.2 iPhone US it dialled numbers, etc without issue because the AppSupport was already setup to work in the UK.

Originally Posted by slimnickyy

£269 for a locked phone is the problem here. I've talked to many people about this who don't mind paying up to £200 for a good phone, but what is really killing them is it being locked and not having any games for the long tube journey's home. I've had a few people say they'd never go with O2 due to a past experience or an experience a mate had with them, but the main issues are again the price and the phones lack of what is essentially a basic requirement for a mobile for people that use public transit: games!

Yes I'd agree with point of view totally.

Still Apple Regent Street has apparently the original stock of phones. This being Apple's UK (and possibly European) Flageship store sends a very very strong message: Apple you got it wrong, you picked UK as one of the first markets and they haven't sold! Europeans are not as easily convinced as the Americans!

Why Apple, did you limit the european roll out to just 3 countries?

To the best of my knowledge there is 27 member states in the EU and a population of almost 500 M. Let alone that the EU also generates almost 1/3 of the Worlds nominal GDP!

3 COUNTRIES only (granted the largest population areas), but its hard to see Apple making that 10 Million number when they ignore the total EU market! 1% of this population would account for half of Apples target!

Originally Posted by 997TT

1. I already mentioned one time that I have a friend working as a chief accountant at Apple USA

Yes, we all know that Apple runs all business decisions by their slew of accountants.

But seriously, and don't take this the wrong way, you seem to be placing just a tad too much faith in people who are not likely to be in a position to give reliable definitive information. For starters they'd be guilty of leaking confidential company information. Friend or not, I wouldn't trust someone who can't be trusted by their employer--and that assumes they are in a position to possess accurate information in the first place (people exaggerate--even friends).

3. I also talked to a T-Mobile CEO(!), not a sales person about the iPhone situation...

Perhaps this is indeed a language thing, as I'm used to seeing CEO preceded by "the." I thought the CEO was Hamid Akhavan. You talked to him??? That would be interesting indeed!



--
Mike

This you got to see:

http://www3.phoneandphone.com/search...19&idc=1&ido=0

French website selling iPhones before the Orange launch on OTHER Networks!!!!

Originally Posted by yuser

Hello,

this is an interesting news for me.

Which T-Mobile SIM (which contract?) offers VVM?
I have a US iPhone running firmware 1.1.1 and unlocked with AnySim. I use a german T-Mobile Max contract (as a business customer).

Do you think upgrading to 1.1.2 will give me access to VVM?

At the moment the iPhone just calls the regular voicemail when I push the corresponding button...

Thanks for your help.

It would be very helpful to get an answer to the VVM question (because you wrote earlier that VVM works with your other T-Mobile SIM Card), so please help me 997TT

Originally Posted by yuser

It would be very helpful to get an answer to the VVM question (because you wrote earlier that VVM works with your other T-Mobile SIM Card), so please help me 997TT

I would expect that VVM would only work with authorized carriers of the iPhone, since it's a unique system that needs to be implemented by the carrier for it to work. Thus, ATT in the US, 02 in the UK, T-Mobile in Germany and Orange in France.

Originally Posted by slimnickyy

Actually though it's more like the phone is reacting to not having the proper country code and format information in AppSupport rather than SIM support. When I first inserted a T-Mobile UK SIM into my unlocked 1.1.2 iPhone US it dialled numbers, etc without issue because the AppSupport was already setup to work in the UK.

See, this person said it so much better and simpler than me! Kudos!

Originally Posted by 997TT

I repeat it for the last time: Apple has NO intention whatsoever to offer unlocked iPhones ANYWHERE on this planet. All the speculation is worthless.
I talked to a T-Mobile CEO(!), not a sales person and he told me that Apple doesn't like the german court ruling at all and that it took T-Mobile some persuasive skills to convince Apple to allow(!) T-Mobile to sell unlocked iPhones until the final court ruling is available. Although T-Mobile/Apple don't expect the court to rule completely against their agreement, they also prepared some sort of "emergency" plan just in case they are forced to sell unlocked iPhones in Germany.

Since we don't know all details about the unlocked iPhone offer in France, we should just wait until it is available. How about a FRENCH only iPhone with FW 1.1.3 and no jailbreak possibility (for now) anymore? Such an iPhone would be in accordance to french laws and it would be practically worthless for most of us outside France or even inside France.

Like I said before (you guys don't seem to trust me, do you?! ): Apple and the carriers CARE and DO NOT want to sell unlocked iPhones, so they'll surely find a very creative way to make the french iPhone as unattractive as possible.
They didn't have time to come up with a "creative" solution for the german T-Mobile iPhone due to the surprisingly fast court order.

Hey 997TT,
iPhone seems to interact like a drug. The side effects on people are different. Some get a mild depression in front of their new bootloader, others get some kind of enthusiastic and euphoric, sometimes even manic, cycles.
I am thinking of a new thread in the forum:
"Medical assistance for iPhone maniacs" to minimize the number of depressive or maniac community members....
Well reality bites, and patients with this kind of disorders are like some cancer patients: They do not want to know the shitty truth..
But I love this forum and their people, so don´t stop discussing, speculating, writing, thinking!!

Originally Posted by yuser

It would be very helpful to get an answer to the VVM question (because you wrote earlier that VVM works with your other T-Mobile SIM Card), so please help me 997TT

997TT has a T-Mobile iphone contract on his t-Mobile SIM! And with this the hacked phones from US are working as well ( with VVM). Greetings bd

Originally Posted by ldhilljr

If I were to insert a SIM from the Dominican Republic into my iPhone, and then boot up the phone, my phone should think of itself as a Dominican phone that is roaming on a US network. But since the iPhone can't handle a Dominican phone (i.e., a Dominican SIM), the keypad/crash issues result. But if I modify the AppSupport file to include the codes necessary for the Dominican Republic, my phone should work.

I agree, execpt about the 'think about roaming'. As the Phone was never ment to have another sim that at&t inserted, I guess they only put in the coutries where they think about selling the phone and 'forgot' about the rest. This has nothing really to do with roaming...