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    Phones which come out of the box at 1.1.2 (all iPhones sold after 9th November worldwide) can only currently be unlocked to use SIM cards from their countries provider. For example, we can unlock the UK iPhone to run on O2 Pay As You Go, O2 Sim Only contracts etc.
    I wonder if and how and especially how long this method works because O2 could easily counter-act, not even mentioning the possibility through iTunes.


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    Apparently IPSF is a permanent lock no MATTER what firmware comes out. IPSF relies on the Dev team to jailbreak so there software works. This gets me thinking, how has IPSF been able to permanently unlock the iphone. Many rumors have flown around that they indeed have someone in the 'inside' (apple).

    So the actual reason for this post is, theoretically IF you have IPSF and you get the unlock from apple. this would mean you would never have to jailbreak when switching sim cards because apple will know its an unlocked phone and IPSF has already unlocked EVERY sim card you insert??

    Anyone understand what im getting at??

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    Hi Kmac, the downgrade King :-)

    Firstly, we know exactly how IPSF unlock the phone and there software is only "permenant" as long as the bootloader is never upgraded!! Just like anySIM, they use a bug in the bootloader to unlock the phone, hence why their solution doesn't work with the new bootloader!!

    I understand what you saying but logically, it doesn't make sense, even if you used ipsf, you will still need to actvate everytime you upgrade, depeding on how this unlock works, you might just be able to use a patched lockdownd file!!

    All the unlocked German iPhones are the new bootloader anyway so not slot ya can do!!

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    Hey Pspsully,

    Thanks for the clarification! I guess it will only be a matter of time till we will find out

    Sorry havent been able to do anything since the 'famous downgrade' hahaha

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    A short update: over 32 hours have passed...iPhone is still locked.
    Maybe Apple is short on employees because of Thanksgiving but this really starts to annoy me. Selling an "unlocked" iPhone to a customer and have him wait "at least 24 hours" to get the unlock up and working is not only very questionable from the german court order point of view but also very customer UNFRIENDLY.
    It also shows that Apple holds ALL the keys to the iPhone and the cell phone carriers are the "dumb" executers only, so this actually proves that Apple really knows how to do business. Incredible that a large telecommunications company would agree to their rules, especially since the iPhone, even if a success, doesn't really bring them (the carriers) huge amounts of cash.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Probo View Post

    I asked about O2 Cards in this thread and pacer204 answered that you can use the phone with any O2 card after you successfully activated/hacked it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 997TT View Post
    A short update: over 32 hours have passed...iPhone is still locked.
    Maybe Apple is short on employees because of Thanksgiving but this really starts to annoy me. Selling an "unlocked" iPhone to a customer and have him wait "at least 24 hours" to get the unlock up and working is not only very questionable from the german court order point of view but also very customer UNFRIENDLY.
    It also shows that Apple holds ALL the keys to the iPhone and the cell phone carriers are the "dumb" executers only, so this actually proves that Apple really knows how to do business. Incredible that a large telecommunications company would agree to their rules, especially since the iPhone, even if a success, doesn't really bring them (the carriers) huge amounts of cash.
    how not bringing cash? locking one as 2y subscriber isnt still enough?

    or do you think all E999 will go to Appel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspsully View Post
    Hi Kmac, the downgrade King :-)

    Firstly, we know exactly how IPSF unlock the phone and there software is only "permenant" as long as the bootloader is never upgraded!! Just like anySIM, they use a bug in the bootloader to unlock the phone, hence why their solution doesn't work with the new bootloader!!

    I understand what you saying but logically, it doesn't make sense, even if you used ipsf, you will still need to actvate everytime you upgrade, depeding on how this unlock works, you might just be able to use a patched lockdownd file!!

    All the unlocked German iPhones are the new bootloader anyway so not slot ya can do!!
    Well i disagree when you say " we know exactaly how ipsf unlock" if other people knew they would make anysim or any other unlock software just like IPSF.

    I think people have an idea on how it works, but noone really knows really HOW, otherwise why would anysim modify the baseband and have the unlock wiped everything an upgrade comes out? if everyone knows how ipsf works, why not make an unlock software like they do that until now has survived ALL updates.

    As far as the bootloader, i don't think apple will EVER upgrade the bootloader on iphones with 3.9, the risk of bricking "original" iphones never unlocked is high, and i think it's been proven by the 1.1.2 update, therefore, i believe ipsf will survive ALL updates from apple, although they rely on dev team jailbreak and activation.

    just my 2cents

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    How many iPhone customers does AT&T have compared to "other" phone customers and business customers? Same with T-Mobile?
    2-year contracts are normal in Europe, actually practically all cell phone contracts over here are lasting for 2 years.

    Not sure I'm getting your point. The iPhone 999 Euro price tag doesn't have anything to do with how much T-Mobile is paying to Apple for an iPhone.
    The 999 Euro price tag is only a price tag to scare off people who want to buy an unlocked iPhone without a contract.

    The iPhone subscription plan in Germany isn't too bad at all.
    I pay 89 Euro per month for unlimited data (well, actually up to 5 GB per month, after that T-Mobile is reducing speed to 64 kbit/s), 1000 minutes of talk time to any national phone number, free usage of over 8000 T-Mobile hotspots in Germany (airports, train stations, etc.). With my old contract, I actualy paid around 150 Euro for telephony cost only, so 89 Euro is no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drsub View Post
    Well i disagree when you say " we know exactaly how ipsf unlock" if other people knew they would make anysim or any other unlock software just like IPSF.

    I think people have an idea on how it works, but noone really knows really HOW, otherwise why would anysim modify the baseband and have the unlock wiped everything an upgrade comes out? if everyone knows how ipsf works, why not make an unlock software like they do that until now has survived ALL updates.

    As far as the bootloader, i don't think apple will EVER upgrade the bootloader on iphones with 3.9, the risk of bricking "original" iphones never unlocked is high, and i think it's been proven by the 1.1.2 update, therefore, i believe ipsf will survive ALL updates from apple, although they rely on dev team jailbreak and activation.

    just my 2cents
    Your 2cents are worth nothing since WE KNOW how IPSF works.
    The reason why the Dev Team or others never used the same method for heir unlocks is simple and has been explained too a couple of times.

    Since IPSF discussions are actually off-limits at Hackint0sh, I will put an end to it. NO MORE IPSF bla bla, period.


 

 

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