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Discuss [Bootloader] Is Apple working on a new one ? at the iPhone "2G" (Rev. 1) - Hackint0sh.org; Originally Posted by aviegas First, I've done quite a few "mixed" 1.1.3 (with 4.02.13_G BB) ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aviegas View Post
    First, I've done quite a few "mixed" 1.1.3 (with 4.02.13_G BB) and aside from Google Locate, everything works fine.

    Most of the problem people are reporting are due to improper actions while unlocking or jailbreaking, not to mention the amount of Apps that are still not compatible with 1.1.3 - specially the change of the SpringBoard "user" from root to mobile.

    1.1.4 or later WILL NOT change the 4.6 x 3.9 BL controversy, so there is no "better now than fell sorry later", as the BL exploit is there no matter what Apple throws in the baseband. Right now the best approach is to wait and see and keep the option of having a custom BL, that will allow 4.03.13_G unlocked without having to downgrade to BL 3.9.
    YEah ok fair enough. But it doesnt matter because 3.9 is good it has alot of loopholes. And it will be good to have for any firmware that Apple brings because we know they dont update BL through itunes. So 1.1.4 will be unlocked immideatley after secpack has been found becasue 3.9 allows like current secpack while 4.6 needs secpack to be higher than a currents version of firmware. And custom BL if its really that good for us i am pretty sure someone will find a hole in 3.9 which allows updating the BL but until know 3.9.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuttynutter123 View Post
    no.... if you are from US then there is a very small chance 1.1.2 is 3.9
    but usually its 4.6
    anything less than 1.1.2 is 3.9
    1.1.3 is 4.6

    i am not sure what week number 1.1.2's have 3.9 but i am sure someone will confirm what it is
    i downgraded my bootloader on accident lol im not really worried about the next bootloader
    i pressed refurbish caz i wanted to undo the unlock lol then i saw it downgrading my bootloader lol
    1.0.2 OTB>unlocked with anysim>forgot to virginize>won't let me make calls nothing would work>apple store replaced it>1.1.2 OTB>at&t activated>jailbreaked>GunLocked>accidently downgraded to 3.9 bootloader>1.1.4 unlocked/jailbroken workin great

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    Quote Originally Posted by donky View Post
    YEah ok fair enough. But it doesnt matter because 3.9 is good it has alot of loopholes. And it will be good to have for any firmware that Apple brings because we know they dont update BL through itunes. So 1.1.4 will be unlocked immideatley after secpack has been found becasue 3.9 allows like current secpack while 4.6 needs secpack to be higher than a currents version of firmware. And custom BL if its really that good for us i am pretty sure someone will find a hole in 3.9 which allows updating the BL but until know 3.9.
    Both 3.9 and 4.6 have knwon exploits that allow the baseband to be downgraded. I have not seen a 4.6BL running on a baseband older than 1.1.2 (maybe it will not work).

    The whole point is that on 4.6BL there is a known exploit that allows one to rewrite the bootloader itself. Currently (I repeat Currently) there are NO known exploits that allow a software rewrite of the bootloader.

    So, given that 1.1.3 adds virtually nothing to 1.1.2, keeping your 4.6BL intact sound a nice strategy as it leaves the door open to a future custom BL. And this is the BL that will do it all: it will have a permanent IPSF style unlock, any secpack will do the job (so it can be used even without the current secpack, that is better than 3.9BL) and still can be reflashed to any other BL. Going to 3.9 may close this door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idane View Post
    Realize that part of their business model is getting a cut from AT&T, and thus once a phone is unlocked they actually lose revenues.
    I would never have bought an iPhone, if it wasn't unlockable.

    How many of the "unlockers" would have still bought the iPhone? Don't think that many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aviegas View Post
    Both 3.9 and 4.6 have knwon exploits that allow the baseband to be downgraded. I have not seen a 4.6BL running on a baseband older than 1.1.2 (maybe it will not work).

    The whole point is that on 4.6BL there is a known exploit that allows one to rewrite the bootloader itself. Currently (I repeat Currently) there are NO known exploits that allow a software rewrite of the bootloader.

    So, given that 1.1.3 adds virtually nothing to 1.1.2, keeping your 4.6BL intact sound a nice strategy as it leaves the door open to a future custom BL. And this is the BL that will do it all: it will have a permanent IPSF style unlock, any secpack will do the job (so it can be used even without the current secpack, that is better than 3.9BL) and still can be reflashed to any other BL. Going to 3.9 may close this door.
    Yeah ok, but as long as i can unlock any firmware at BL 3.9 i am happy. Now why are we still going about this LOL?


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    eventually your 3.9 phone will break and/or you will want a new one. Or maybe you'll want a 16 gig or 32 gig when it comes out.

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    yeah but for the time being.

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    I think the main purpose of this type of discussion is to disseminate the information on reasons for downgrading or not to downgrade. As I already said before, there are valid reasons and motivations for either case, and the final decision is quite a personal option.

    For example, I have a 16G iPhone that is still with BL4.6, and I'm still hopping for custom BL that will allow me to run 04.03.13_G without having to resort to a downgrade to BL3.9. My point? Well, I've been toying with the iPhone since it was released and I've done all of the unlocks that were release (including the original hardware one), and one thing I've learned over the past few months: if you are going to make any change to your phone, better make sure it can be restored back to the way it was. Even the most simple thing can go wrong.

    The most clear example is the original unlock code (used by the hardware unlock and the subsequent sw siblings that include the original anySIM 1.0). The code was "buggy" and caused major problems when 1.1.1 came out. Eventually someone (GeoHot once again) came up with the solution to fix the seczones that got damaged.

    Want another one? The real IPSF does not save the seczone, so it is not reversible. So if a nice bootloader comes out and 3.9 is supported, it may be the case that it will not apply to IPSF hacked phones. If your IPSF is the GeoHot and you saved your seczone, it can be reversed. Otherwise....

    As I said, it's a matter of risk taking and patience. For me, staying at 4.6 and waiting is perfectly acceptable for the time being. Maybe when 1.1.4 comes out the scenario changes.... So I never say never.

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    Yeah you have a point there. But at the END 3.9 or custom BL both are a win win solution. Where 4.6 really isn't so yeah.

 

 
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