Just out of curiosity, I wanted to ask the forums their thoughts on the new 3.9BL FakeBlank hack.

Since the majority of iPhones currently in use are 3.9 (legit), and since there is no safe way for Apple to change that (imagine the headache of an iTunes BL upgrade... what a deboccle if someone like my wife messed it up and bricked her $500 gadget lol...), why is there any concern that we'll ever NEED or be forced to have 4.6?

I guess I'm confused as to why the community would ever stop supporting the majority, especially since the majority cannot upgrade without a hardware mod? Personally I don't think it would.

Finally, isn't there a small likleyhood that Apple could detect a modified BootLoader and, as a security measure, address it (maybe not brick it, but make some headaches)?

Before I run out and buy a 4.6BL, and sell my 3.9BL, I'd need to see some quantifiable reason to do so... Every day I see Zibri get blasted for downgrading people to 3.9, but no one seems to have a legitimate reason as to why it's a bad thing... besides "I can run a custom BL with 4.6".

Ok, super, but for what purpose and to what end?

Any insight?

T

I think what ziphone does, is downgrade the bootloader without telling people. Apple put the 4.6 bootloader on newer phones for a reason. People downgrading them to 3.9 are doing it by hacking at there is no guarantee they are not doing more damage than good to there phones. However 3.9BL maybe can checked by apple i dont know and at the moment its the only way 4.6 downgraders to 3.9 can get back to there original bootloader. Though upgrading back might have some affects we cant see.

Originally Posted by nintendolinky

I think what ziphone does, is downgrade the bootloader without telling people. Apple put the 4.6 bootloader on newer phones for a reason. People downgrading them to 3.9 are doing it by hacking at there is no guarantee they are not doing more damage than good to there phones. However 3.9BL maybe can checked by apple i dont know and at the moment its the only way 4.6 downgraders to 3.9 can get back to there original bootloader. Though upgrading back might have some affects we cant see.

you are wrong, he tells clearly, just read the READ-ME and see the screen besides,

well, the problem is, apple can check your iphone serial, so if you hv iphone from week 45, you MUST to hv 4.6bl, but if you are using 3.9 they could easily detect you hv hacked it, so you will be "banned" from their comunity, something like this, you can´t update your iphone anymore.. the same shit as microsoft did for xbox 360 (cd-rom version), got it?

Originally Posted by nintendolinky

. Apple put the 4.6 bootloader on newer phones for a reason.

To stop people unlocking them.

4.6 is just to stop people from unlocking it. (when 1.1.2 came out, you can only activate it to use with O2/ATT, so O2 and ATT got money from their previous contracts, or from pay as you go customers), where as bootloader 3,9 allowed unlocking to all networks.

Besides, I am not too bothered with downgrading mine to 3.9. This is coz, i wish to sell it on ebay once the 3g version is released, lol.

Originally Posted by nintendolinky

I think what ziphone does, is downgrade the bootloader without telling people. Apple put the 4.6 bootloader on newer phones for a reason. People downgrading them to 3.9 are doing it by hacking at there is no guarantee they are not doing more damage than good to there phones. However 3.9BL maybe can checked by apple i dont know and at the moment its the only way 4.6 downgraders to 3.9 can get back to there original bootloader. Though upgrading back might have some affects we cant see.

Apple offers no benefit in BL 4.x other that stop freeing the iPhone to any carrier.

-hal9000mx

Originally Posted by Killian

you are wrong, he tells clearly, just read the READ-ME and see the screen besides,

well, the problem is, apple can check your iphone serial, so if you hv iphone from week 45, you MUST to hv 4.6bl, but if you are using 3.9 they could easily detect you hv hacked it, so you will be "banned" from their comunity, something like this, you can´t update your iphone anymore.. the same shit as microsoft did for xbox 360 (cd-rom version), got it?

Does Apple have the ability to verify BL? If so, wouldn't the same hold true for the new 3.9BLank? Even if you upgraded back to 4.6, it would still be a modified 4.6, and they'd ban you in theory.

I know they can check serial #, but a denial of update would be pointless because we'd just downlaod the restore image elsewhere (i.e., I have all the firmwares from 1.1.1 on saved already anyway).

Unless they find a way to make the update permanently etched into iTunes, and allow us no way to download it seperately, there's no way they could deny us an update based upon BL as far as I can see.

T

Originally Posted by iTJW

Does Apple have the ability to verify BL? If so, wouldn't the same hold true for the new 3.9BLank? Even if you upgraded back to 4.6, it would still be a modified 4.6, and they'd ban you in theory.

I know they can check serial #, but a denial of update would be pointless because we'd just downlaod the restore image elsewhere (i.e., I have all the firmwares from 1.1.1 on saved already anyway).

Unless they find a way to make the update permanently etched into iTunes, and allow us no way to download it seperately, there's no way they could deny us an update based upon BL as far as I can see.

T

Yes checkin the BL is really easy for them and yes they could also easily detect the current 3.9Blank. But that is not the point. The point is that with 3.9BLank you can upgrade back to legit 4.6. 4.6BL does not necessarily need to be modified but I'm sure the scene will come up with stealth BL which are faking specific BL versions if needed.

They can integrate a check in the update to verify SN, BL, BB and if data is not matching the update will be denied. But this is just speculation atm.


Its a fact that the 3.9BLank has absolutely no drawbacks vs. the "original" 3.9BL but the major benefit that you can change back or to a new BL if you ever need to.

Originally Posted by DaSonix

Yes checkin the BL is really easy for them and yes they could also easily detect the current 3.9Blank. But that is not the point. The point is that with 3.9BLank you can upgrade back to legit 4.6. 4.6BL does not necessarily need to be modified but I'm sure the scene will come up with stealth BL which are faking specific BL versions if needed.

They can integrate a check in the update to verify SN, BL, BB and if data is not matching the update will be denied. But this is just speculation atm.


Its a fact that the 3.9BLank has absolutely no drawbacks vs. the "original" 3.9BL but the major benefit that you can change back or to a new BL if you ever need to.

First, are you certain that when you upgrade back to 4.6 with 3.6BLank that there is no change whatsoever from the legit 4.6? I have heard different with that respect (that while you CAN upgrade back, it's not a fully unmodified upgrade, therefore detectable if Apple does go that route).

Second, lets say they DO start banning/blocking updates. How long do you figure it would take the dev team (or basically anyone way smarter than me haha), to write something that would allow the update (to be installed via download then the Shift+Restore method in iTunes, or by a custom update)? Methinks not very long.

It just seems to me that if Apple ever goes far enough to start banning based upon BL mods, that no method is going to be completely clean. Maybe I'm off here.

T

The reason for 3.9fakeblank is simple: choice. Who knows what is going to happen in the future, so I would like to have the option of changing my BL if there is a particularly need to do it. I wasn't interested in a one-way street to 3.9, so fakeblank is just what I was waiting for. I have the features that 3.9 has, with extra choice available to me as I will forever have the option of moving to a completely custom bootloader when (not if) one comes out.