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    Default Trying to get retail 10.5 running under Boot-132

    Hi there,


    Recently, my MacBook Pro became afflicted with the nvidia graphics bug, rendering that system unbootable. So I've bought myself a new desktop (specs are below) and intended to dual boot Windows 7 and OS X 10.5. I have the 2.5" hard drive from laptop, in the exact state it left my laptop (which I didn't want to give to Apple with the drive lest I end up losing all my data). So far, efforts to boot into that through Boot-132 have failed - the system just resets.

    I had been waiting on a mate of mine from interstate to send me the retail copy of OS X 10.5 I'd loaned him, which has now arrive. With that in hand (plus my MacBook Pro's hard drive with same installed), I booted into Boot-132 expecting some success. I popped the install DVD, and to my dismay had the same issue as trying to boot into my hard drive - we'd get 'Loading Darwin/x86', then the screen would go white (or grey) for a quarter of a second or so and the system would reboot.

    Putting the bootloader into verbose mode revealed all the kexts were loading fine, and there were no errors that I could see in the brief amount of time one has to see these things.

    One thing I've noticed on multiple copies of Boot-132 is that it initially says 'System config file... boot.plist not found' before letting you choose your hex code. I don't know if this is normal or could be the problem?

    System specs are as follows:

    Xeon W3520, Gigabyte EX58-UD5, 6GB PC12800, GTX 260 Core 216, 2x WD Caviar Black 640GB in RAID 0, Fujitsu 160GB 2.5" (from MacBook Pro), PS/2 mouse and keyboard if this is an issue?.

    Given I don't have access to a Mac right now (won't even let me boot into the laptop hard drive), are there any other methods I could try. I'd rather not have to download too much as my primary connection is down and I'm running off a hideously expensive mobile broadband stick for now.

    Any help would be very much appreciated - I'm on the verge of tearing my hair out with how much difficulty even getting to the install stage is causing here! Many thanks in advance,

    Cheers,
    Chris



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    Default Not the same OS's really

    The true MAC OS on CD is not completely the same as the "hackintosh" OS's - because often key kext file support is missing and the Apple OS has a do not copy security feature which will lock it up solid - like you describe.

    Once up and running you cannot tell the difference and you can copy files and save stuff from your old OS by mounting it as a hard drive via usb or something - but underneath the OS's are different enough that you will not get a successful install on a non- (true) Apple machine with a true apple OS CD all the time unless the hardware is hardware that Apple has built machines in the past on. If the PC you want to install on is not hardware compatible it just will not complete at all.

    The PC you describe is going to have serious problems even with a hackintosh distro - including the video - visit netkas.org for a solution.

    So, I am sorry to tell you - your best best is to download a complete and recent version of a "hackintosh" distro and install it on the PC you want to install it on.

    After a successful install and it does not boot all the way then you need to f8 at boot and then . . .

    You need to boot with -s. If it loads that to a command line, you've got likely kext problems. Then try -x -v so you can see where it stops, slows, issues errors or hangs. If you get in that way to a desktop you've got probably video kext problems. these can be LOTS of different problems depending on whose distribution you installed and how old it is. Get the newest one - right now which is 10.5.6. IPC has some issues with laptop keyboards not working after install - IDeneb seems to go better.

    NO ONE can help you right now. You do not say what is wrong, you do not say what you did that does not work and you offer no clues as to your level of expertise as to EXACTLY where you are stumped. You just scream "please help me".

    If you go to a Medical Doctor and just scream "please help me" and will give no symptoms or clues as to what is going on - even a Doctor cannot help you but begin guessing - and guess what - they get paid to do so - no one here is being paid by you, and still the doctor could end up killing you rather than saving you because you did not tell a critic piece of information - like a severe allergy or something like that which could kill you in his efforts to help you. Computers - especially the OS's of computers are NO DIFFERENT.

    You do not say what is going on. No one is a mind reader here and were not sitting in front of your machine.

    Usually a Kext is likely probably not loading or blocking something - or the kernel panics. that means dies the horrible crash like a aircraft pilot would it the pilot panic'ed in an emergency situation and did not know what to do.

    The kexts are vendor and device ID specific - so if the kext does not have the right vendor and model ID referenced in the kext file - it will fail - or pass up the device anyway.

    You have to figure this out yourself - it is YOUR machine. They are all different as to what is in the unit from the manufacturer, and even if using common device components - the vendor and device ID may be different that what the kext might have in it.

    If you have Windows still on the same machine - and it is working - you can do kext editing from inside windows by installing some helper tools to look into the HPS drive. Use Windows Text Editor Download and Download Ext2Fsd 0.46 - An open source Ext2 File System Driver for Windows - Softpedia and Catacombae - HFSExplorer (HFS Explorer) to see and get at the Mac files in Windows; OR you can BUY Macdrive. If you are having dual boot problems try installing EasyBCD from inside Windows to boot between the two. Its free.

    This above will only work if you have been smart enough to do a dual boot machine where Windows is on another partition or permanent drive in the same computer. If Windows will not boot use a Vista repair disk or the XP disk to repair the boot sector - then install EasyBCD through Windows and it will see the MAC partition to let you set it up on the boot manager. Google how to get one if you do not have them.

    You can see the vendor and device ID in Windows, and the kext will have a name and you can find the vendor and device ID in the text of the kext info.plist. You can edit this from the windows side with the editor above - and use no other - they will not work.

    After you get in through safe mode, you can run "diskutils repairpermissions /" (without the quotes) and to fix the changes you made from the Windows side.

    You come in single user with the -s command at the prompt. Do what it says to mount the volume and then

    You do a "sudo -s" first (no quotes)
    cd /System/Library
    chmod -R 755 Extensions /
    touch Extensions /
    diskutil repairpermissions /

    There are other ways to do this and much more from the -s boot option (single user mode) but it is really getting UNIX specific as to the commands, and if you are there and know nothing anyway - you should probably pay someone, buy a real MAC or just give up - OR get ready for a real extensive learning curve and research on the web.

    You need to do some research on how the MAC OS works. Match your kext families with the missing parts of the OS not loading - change the vendor and device ID's and one at a time - you'll get them working and the boot errors will go away.

    If you have/had IPC 10.5.6 ppf4 or ppf5 you would likely have most of the kexts - but they might not have the right vendor ID and device ID for the unit you are trying to install on. it works for both CPUs Intel or AMD. IDeneb 10.5.6. might go more successfully.

    Once installed, you need to boot in safe mode from the Darwin prompt with the -x option. Use -v also so you can see what it is loading and if it does stop in safe mode and where. Then you can try -v -f on another boot to see if it will make it all the way

    The MacOS is at it's core - UNIX - you cannot just lump a question in something and throw it here that is non-descriptive as to tell anyone not at your PC what is TRULY going on, even though I am a UNIX engineer.

    No one can help you if they cannot tell what is really going on - and if you are not ready to learn some UNIX - give up now.

    If you install the right kexts (Kernel EXTensionS) with the right vendor id's applicable the system will load them as it finds the hardware during the boot process.

    Read the clues of the boot process yourself and do some research as to what they mean and then if you have a specific question you cannot find on the Internet or in the forums - that someone can identify - post that.

    Of course you can always BUY a real MAC, and then holler "please help me" all you want to Apple Computer Support, and at some point they will tell you the same thing.

    If you install the right kexts (Kernel EXTensionS) with the right vendor id's applicable the system will load them as it finds the hardware during the boot process.

    Read the clues of the boot process yourself and do some research as to what they mean and then if you have a specific question you cannot find on the Internet or in the forums - that someone can identify - post that.

    Visit the Main Page - OSx86 for the best source of simple question info
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    bobburns,

    Thankyou for the advice. As for buying a real Mac, as stated, I'm coming from a 15" MacBook Pro, which is my fourth Apple notebook in a row, following a 15" Powerbook G4 and two 12" Powerbook G4s. I'm also on my fourth iPhone and my copy of OS X is one I purchased and I will purchase a retail copy of Snow Leopard upon its release. I have put my whole family onto both MacBook/MBP and iPhone. Patronage of Apple is not an issue - however save for spending three times more, there is not a system in their lineup that meets my current needs.

    I believed what I described (that I was experiencing a system restart following Boot-132's attempt to load either my OS X install DVD or boot from my MBP's HDD with OS X install), was sufficient to at least close in on a problem. As you have explained, it is not. I'm not asking people to be mind readers, I was looking to be pointed in the right direction somewhat, as there really isn't a description of similar symptoms and a relevant solution to be found on the web (I assume, I have spend a good many hours attempting that before asking). You've answered that, and I thank you for it.

    I had downloaded TransMac and HFSExplorer, but I will was having difficulty in working how just how one includes the required kexts within the bootloader. Having had that explained to me, I will attempt the inclusion of same. I note, however, that [GUIDE] Retail OS X Install (10.5.7) on Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 (Core i7) Mobo - InsanelyMac Forum mentions the ability to boot the Retail DVD using the GA-EX58-UD5, so I will try including the relevant kexts that they describe and see if we do in fact get anywhere with the retail DVD. If not - and whether that be an issue with video or something else - I'll then try a hackintosh distro. Apart from video, what in the system do you perceive to be a problem? The W3520 is identical to the i7 920, which people seems to have had success with the retail DVD, and the uniprocessor equivalent to the X5550 used in the Mac Pro, and it has been established that the EX58-UD5 has worked.

    You are correct in assuming that Windows 7 is on a separate partition. I have a 500GB RAW partition waiting for OS X or a derivative of.

    I will do some more research, but again, thankyou for at least putting me on the right path. I assure you I have spent time looking, and I understand that it is my system, but it has been like searching for a needle in a haystack... at least I now know what bundle of hay to search in!

    As for paying someone to get this up and running, if I knew someone who was capable of doing this, I'd gladly pay them!

    Cheers,

    Chris

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    Hey there, please check munkys guide (is a sticky), theres guides for your mobo too, here the guide for your mobo,

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    Hi icchansan,

    Thanks for this. I have spent some time going through munky's guide. As for the specific guide for the GA-EX58-UD5, I'd already seen this (and in fact referenced it in my last post).

    I've now worked out that the inclusion of a number of specific kexts into the initrd.dmg should at least put me in a position where Boot-132 will get me into the install DVD without rebooting.

    However... having used Transmac to supplement initrd.dmg with the kexts and planting the updated image back into the ISO, booting into Boot-132 now gives the error, "Image Checksum error, sorry... Boot failed". I have looked up some reasons for this occuring, none of which seem to be relevant.

    In an ideal world, I'd have a go with the Slimbuild ISO creator and planting the kexts in from there, hoping that I wouldn't end up with this same issue. However, as previously mentioned, I have no access to the Mac that would be necessary to try this method.

    Is there anything specific I can do to implement the required kexts into initrd.dmg in such a manner that doesn't cause the checksum error? I also note that it's not allowing me to put 'too' many of the kexts in (though enough to get what should be at least basic functionality for the install process) - it says I'm exceeding the size of the image, which I assume is part of this whole checksum issue.

    Again, very much appreciated - my apologies if all this has been covered before, though I have searched in earnest to avoid repeating.

    Cheers,
    Chris


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    Default just get a basic install first and then patch it up

    I rellay di dnot read all of your reply. This is free support after all. People have reported that iDeneb 10.5.6 upgraded to 10.5.7 runs Xeons well. the video is going to be an issue. visit netkas.org. Get it running as a basic install and then patch it up.

 

 

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