OK, the dev team cracked the OS and reversed the firmware. They know more about iPhone then any hacker around, but why they can't unlock the damn thing?
The answer is: they are missing a simple, but important piece of information. I don't believe IPSF figured out this secret. I think they acquired the information by some obscure transaction with an anonymous ingeneer from Infineon, the company manufacturing the baseband. So, IPSF knows how to put the baseband in write mode and patch the firmware of the radio.
But I also believe that if the dev team doesn't have the missing info, it's just because they are not communicating on what they are doing. They are working in the dark. So even if there are people who can and who want to help with information, they don't know what to search for.
Geohot was excellent in communication. His blog was clear and frequently updated. He was present in IRC in real time, reporting progress and asking for help on information mining. And he got full support from the community. The fact is he figured out the hardware crack before the dev team.
I believe if the devs had the same open attitude and the same communication strategy, they could have found the sw unlock weeks abo. I hope they will change and become more communicative and now I'm going to give them my 20 bucks to support their work.

P.S. Excuse my English

I think you summarized it well.

100% agree.

Also, IMO this unlock affair has been underestimated in many ways by many people.

Very good assessment. I would hope the dev team gets unlocks themselves and could do some reverse engineering to find that secret The unlock should be free to everyone.

what I find hard to belive, is that there are reported SW unlocked phones out there, unlocked as demos of the awaited Sw unlock, and know one has looked at these journalists phones, to see how its done, we all have stood around and waited for the dev team to do there stuff. Which we all know will really happen in the end. How hard can it be for one of the so called Sw unlocked phones, to find its way into the hands of the dev team.

The community needs to talk a little more, and this will happen, making the need of a commerical unlock market completely un-necessary.

Come on, one of you journalists stick your head over the wall and give your phone to the dev team.

Originally Posted by Phylar

Very good assessment. I would hope the dev team gets unlocks themselves and could do some reverse engineering to find that secret

No way I'm afraid ... sam gave the following statement here:
To this ethics we also count the belive that one shall not steal, so we are not going to reverse engineer the ipsf solution as many people believed or expected but finish our own software and way, which will be released as the free unlock solution.

The unlock should be free to everyone.

I totally agree with you on this

if they keep communitcating continuously there are gonna be a lotta updates on the wiki....and then the question will arise that why they are updating wiki with such info that is not neccessary and why are they bulking site so much. hacking takes a lotta time...so jus let them work as they are doing...its gonna be their software unlock not ours...


cheers!!

The point is to make a relevant selection and to keep people updated. If the wiki is not the proper tool, do it in a blog like geohot. And the most important is:

• state clearly what information is missing;
• give directions where to search for it.

Just my 2 c.

Originally Posted by shiney

if they keep communitcating continuously there are gonna be a lotta updates on the wiki....and then the question will arise that why they are updating wiki with such info that is not neccessary and why are they bulking site so much. hacking takes a lotta time...so jus let them work as they are doing...its gonna be their software unlock not ours...


cheers!!

Originally Posted by nasko

OK, the dev team cracked the OS and reversed the firmware. They know more about iPhone then any hacker around, but why they can't unlock the damn thing?
The answer is: they are missing a simple, but important piece of information. I don't believe IPSF figured out this secret. I think they acquired the information by some obscure transaction with an anonymous ingeneer from Infineon, the company manufacturing the baseband. So, IPSF knows how to put the baseband in write mode and patch the firmware of the radio.
But I also believe that if the dev team doesn't have the missing info, it's just because they are not communicating on what they are doing. They are working in the dark. So even if there are people who can and who want to help with information, they don't know what to search for.
Geohot was excellent in communication. His blog was clear and frequently updated. He was present in IRC in real time, reporting progress and asking for help on information mining. And he got full support from the community. The fact is he figured out the hardware crack before the dev team.
I believe if the devs had the same open attitude and the same communication strategy, they could have found the sw unlock weeks abo. I hope they will change and become more communicative and now I'm going to give them my 20 bucks to support their work.

P.S. Excuse my English

Nasko, Salut!. I agree with you completely and I'm sure that the moment that the SW patch is out, the Dev team will become very interested in understanding how it works and what IPSF have done. After all their efforts and time, I would be amazed if they could just accept "defeat" like this.

Whilst I have in no way spent as much time trying to crack this baby as the Dev Team have, I've already backed up exactly what I think IPFS will modify and am truly looking forward to doing a before and after comparasion once the patch is applied. I'm sure that I'm not the only one either.....

Originally Posted by nasko

The point is to make a relevant selection and to keep people updated. If the wiki is not the proper tool, do it in a blog like geohot. And the most important is:

• state clearly what information is missing;
• give directions where to search for it.

Just my 2 c.

well ok i got u but there could be a reason for them not sharing dat info (ask them wat it is but there must be) or they might not have gotten far upto that point and maybe looking for it and i hope they would be working hard on that.

This threads shows clearly that some people might have a bricked view on how the develoment and reversing of such a system works.

• considre the software hugh, you only have opcodes, single processor instructions to make sense of. This takes some time. Even a simple printf takes multiple pages of code. (whole firmware around 100.000 lines to read, not easy to even read them as you have to correc tdiassemble every thing first which takes even soem days)
• you have to investigate a thing (might take a day or two ) to find out if or if not you can use it, write test utilities, reverse interfaces, find out even how to communicate
• you have less than no possibility to use a debugger, long live static analysis (have fun with dynamic allocation and endless hours of math)
• the way of input is very limited, the output is even more limited, again, logn live theory.
• from all above the reversing of such a thing like the RTOS on the bb CANNOT be compared with i.e. reversing some simple pc apps or crack some crap game protection.
• this is a high security system by design, don't think its just a bit of easy
• its hardcore cipher involved and code signing, happy birthday
• i could continue this list til you can tar a street to sudan with this list...

In such a development it rather makes NO sense to point anything on a blog. Check geos blog carefully, do you see ANY valuable information on it during development? Well if so I must have missed that. Seriously, I hope those who have no idea on development finally backup on tell one how to do the stuff. I said ti before a hundred times at least, sure I can post you tons of uber 31337 pics and crap postings a day which look total "c001 hax0r" like but the gain is nothing. And if you expect a Infineon r&d engneer shows up and just threws in some info, well than i don't know what world you live in But I can tell you one thing for sure, to post information on specific development makes a commercial unlocker to show up and rip of your work, thats for sure and not welcome. For you, secific information wouldnt have value anyhow, beside looking extremly strange and would be followed by tons of morons trying some test tools and wonder why they bricked their phone and commercial unlcoker be hapyp becasue they could use the free research to speed up their own. Great thing...

From the whole process of development I cannot even count how many dead ends have been researched, some of them took a few days to work them out to just find out in the backyard is just again a additional security which noone expected. And please also not that for each damn tstign you have to write some frakin own tester as well.

Under the bottom line I suggest just stop dicussing why or why not stuuf if the background of what is discussed isnt even clear to you.