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    Unhappy AT&T and Apple are preparing for hack - if true, this could suck

    Ok- I am sure I am going to get publically flogged for this, but I really feel the need to share this info. If you all have already heard this, right on, but this is the first I have heard of it. My friend's son works for AT&T - not a sales boy, but a suit and tie. He and I just got off the phone and he told me that AT&T and Apple are uber prepared for the iPhone to be unlocked. According to him they are planning on hitting it from several different angles. 1) If anyone has activated a phone through AT&T and cancelled the account, thereby having the phone serve as a wi-fi enabled iPod, after the next iTunes update the user, upon connecting the iPhone to iTunes, will be charged a $200 fee through iTunes to their iTunes account on file. 2) If an agreement is made official for T-Mobile to carry the phone overseas, one of the stipulations is that the iPhone IMEI database will be constantly checked with phones on T-Mobiles network (including the US network), thereby providing AT&T with information if an individual is using an unlocked phone. The phone will essentially be kicked off of T-Mobile's network, and the user will be assessed the same fee ($200).

    I don't buy it, and said so - but he claims that AT&T can do it, and that further, they are waiting to, and I quote, "sue the living hell" out of anyone who unlocks the iPhone. * sigh * So, back to the apple store I go with my iPhone, to pay the stupid restocking fee before my 14 days are up.

    I guess I really am afraid, cause this guy had no reason to lie to me - but that is not saying that the higher ups aren't lieing to their staff? I dunno . . . . interested in hearing anyone's thoughts -

    /* ADMIN NOTICE: threat as fiction, its legally even impossible. The thread was closed. */
    Last edited by sam; 07-13-2007 at 12:42 PM.



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    I call BS. According to the new law passed recently, no company can sue if an individual 'unlocks' their cell phone.

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    i don't doubt that they (apple) would be able do it, but i think it won't happen.

    the big reason is i think is that apple have probably made their profit the instant you buy one in the first place, and that the only real loser in the whole grand scheme of things is at&t if you unlock the iphone.

    the reason i think this is the fact that when it comes to talks with foreign carriers about handling the iphone, there is a fair bit of resistance - even though they know they're going to sell plans, and if there's one thing apple do well, it's do what's in apple's best interest.

    so hearing this coming from an at&t rep, no matter how trustworthy etc isn't big news to me. because there's a big difference between what at&t want and what at&t are going to get.

    think about it for a moment, apple happily let you walk out of their store with the iphone after your $500-600 with the only guarantee you'll sign up to an at&t plan being that they're the only option for phone service. remember that word - option.

    apple don't let people do anything for a loss to them - especially, they don't rely on the good intentions of their users to make a profit. don't forget, that although they've been making ipods for years and reinventing the whole portable music player scene, they've also been making fairly decent computers with a highly secure os.

    so in summary, portable electronics are extremely cheap for apple to put together, and they're no new kids on the block when it comes to expecting that a small group of their users will always be hardcore hackers.

    the impressions they give, and the actions they take are always two completely different things.

    one thing i will say though, is that i would expect the later versions of the iphone os x to be an item that's purchased in the itunes store, and not just supplied for free. i think this is where apple plan to make a lot of money. hey, if your iphone os upgrade which costs $29.99 and gave you mms, skype, etc, wouldn't you pay for it?

    i don't know, it's obvious to me. what do you guys all think?

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    Exclamation thread by apple's legal team? LOL

    ok how many of you thinks that this thread initiated by apple's legal team(or a poster boy/gal belongs to 'em) to test the water? if u know what I mean...

    like how folks would react !

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    lol you mean cause she's only made one post? nah i'd believe that she's genuine. if anything i'd say it's totally plausible that apple would pass on the message to at&t just for the fact that it would scare the hell out of employees preparing to unlock their own phones, or give 'on the side' inside advice to family, friends etc.

    but realistically, i think it's just a case of at&t saying to apple "hey we want this", and apple saying "sure, we'll get our best people on it, and get back to you." - in other words, fuck off at&t we don't care.

    as seen often from apple in the past, and the reason they don't partner so well with companies, they seem to have this kind of priority list:

    1. apple
    2. customers
    3. partners

    this is clearly evident in the latest drm removal from the itunes music store. so many pissed off record industry partners... hahaha.


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    I did reply to a similar thread some time ago after lots of research into laws surrounding phone unlocking and copyright infringements. Unfortunately, I can't find the thread at the moment to repeat various quotes and legal stuff but...

    bottom line is.... unlocking a phone is NOT copyright infringement and unless they start changing laws... (which they're not gonna) then this is total rubbish!

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    i totally agree, and believe that apple won't do anything like this.

    however, as you have to plug the iphone into itunes to sync it, you put it in the firing line every time. although apple probably won't do anything like what punkgirl describes, they could easily have already thought of this (which i assume they have), and have itunes detect an unlocked iphone and disable it.

    basically, unless someone reverse engineers the entire iphone operating system, there's no way of really being able to tell what they have and haven't taken into account.

    myself, i'm not worried at all. my iphone arrives this week coming, and i've frozen my itunes at 7.3 and don't plan to make updates without good advice to do so.

    to quote my dear old dad: "shit happens when you fuck around - so don't fuck around!!"

    this could very well be the voice of apple. time will tell, and until then, this thread is based on pure 100% speculation.

    so relax all! cheers!!
    Last edited by wombat; 07-13-2007 at 11:51 AM. Reason: Reason: Reason: Reason: Reason: shit ^C

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    And, of course, Apple would benefit HUGELY in product sales if the iphone was unlockable. Even IF they lost out on a bit of AT&T service revenue.

    Basically, Apple can't lose, but they have to be 'seen' to be taking a stand against it, purely so they don't piss off their 'exclusive' US carrier!

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    Absolutely rubbish !! If you believe this nonsense, you are more stupid than the original poster.

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    Cool

    even though i don't agree with graeme0 about the phone's unlocking increasing product sales - mainly because i believe that a device which is seemingly unhackable is more valuable than one which is unlockable - i do agree that losing out on a bit of at&t revenue would be of relatively minor concern to them. this is simply because i believe in two things:

    1. they've made a profit already on you the day you walked out the at&t or apple store with your iphone (they've been making inexpensive high tech portable devices for a long time remember)
    2. they plan to make a shitload of money on the software that will be in the phone later (ie., future major iphone os releases, retail cut on 3rd party apps, etc)

    i don't think it's fair to call the original poster stupid at all either. i appreciate that there are people like that who'll keep us all posted on any rumours which are close to the source - even if they go against what i'd like to believe. i'm sure there is a majority who are with me on that.


 

 

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