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    Default Steps for beginner? upgrading 2G to 3.12 and unlocking 3GS

    OK, so I've been reading and investigating unlocking of my new 3GS as well as updating and re-unlocking my old 2G. I've got a couple of questions:


    1: the 2G is now running OS 2.1 and was unlocked using PWNAGE for Mac. I would like to upgrade it to 3.1.2 and keep it unlocked and jailbroken. I want to use this as one of my kids phones and will use SBSprefs to turn off EDGE and use it on their ATT account that has no data plan. (I do this today)

    - will i need to hacktivate the phone or will it allow to activate through itunes?
    - what are the best tools to use to do this?
    - do I upgrade or restore to 3.1.2 first or do I have to do something else?
    - I read a bit about push notifications being messed up, do I have to deal with that?


    2: the 3GS is now running 3.1. the bootrom is 359.3 so it appears that I can do an untethered jailbreak using BlackRa1n and then unlock using Sn0w from the Ra1n app on the phone. This phone will have an ATT iphone account so I can activate it using itunes. But I intend to use my China Mobile SIM and my pan-europe prepaid SIM when traveling.

    - do I have the right tools?
    - i think first step is to restore the phone to 3.1.2 and then go, right?
    - can I activate through itunes
    - will I have to do anything with push notifications?

    I understand that I need to set the phones up as "new" phones so I'll lose some settings, etc. I can live with that.
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    I changed the title of the original post since I think that the post drew a number of people thinking tht I had the ANSWER to this when I was really asking a question.

    It seems like the guides that once were maintained here are no longer being kept up to date. (in the genius bar) IS that because sites like iclarified have guides that are accurate and there is no need? Are the guides there the right answers for my two phones?


    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemiltie View Post
    2G is now running OS 2.1 and was unlocked using PWNAGE for Mac. I would like to upgrade it to 3.1.2 and keep it unlocked and jailbroken. I want to use this as one of my kids phones and will use SBSprefs to turn off EDGE and use it on their ATT account that has no data plan. (I do this today)

    - will i need to hacktivate the phone or will it allow to activate through itunes?
    - what are the best tools to use to do this?
    - do I upgrade or restore to 3.1.2 first or do I have to do something else?
    - I read a bit about push notifications being messed up, do I have to deal with that?
    PwnageTool is the best tool as it allows manual control over whether you hacktivate or activate.

    You can activate the iPhone 2G with a deactivated AT&T sim that was previously used on that iPhone for legitimate iPhone service.
    Using an iPhone without a wireless service plan I am not sure if that is what you want or not.

    Were you using the 2G with another carrier than AT&T? Otherwise I don't see why you would have needed to unlock.

    Yes you should set the iPhone up as new to avoid problems.
    If you activate legitimately, you will have no problems with push notfications.

    Quote Originally Posted by unclemiltie View Post
    3GS is now running 3.1. the bootrom is 359.3 so it appears that I can do an untethered jailbreak using BlackRa1n and then unlock using Sn0w from the Ra1n app on the phone. This phone will have an ATT iphone account so I can activate it using itunes. But I intend to use my China Mobile SIM and my pan-europe prepaid SIM when traveling.

    - do I have the right tools?
    - i think first step is to restore the phone to 3.1.2 and then go, right?
    - can I activate through itunes
    - will I have to do anything with push notifications?

    I understand that I need to set the phones up as "new" phones so I'll lose some settings, etc. I can live with that.
    You can jailbreak with pwnagetool (There are some limitations jail-breaking a 3GS for the first time from pwnagetool) or blackra1n or soon redsn0w 0.9.

    If you have access to a Mac, I would recommend pwnagetool.

    The only unlock choice is Blacksn0w which exacerbates an existing apple bug that can mean you have a chance of losing wifi.

    You don't actually need to load the blacksn0w unlock unless you are travelling. However there is no toggle (like ultrasn0w has with sbsettings) to turn blacksn0w on and off at will.

    You should activate through iTunes, do this before you jailbreak with blackra1n. If you use pwnagetool, activation will occur after you load the custom ipsw. Push notifications are fine as long as you legitimately activate.

    I would test out swapping in a foreign SIM before you travel. My suspicion is that you will need to patch your lockdownd because this step is skipped when you activate legitimately. I don't have a locked 3G or 3GS so I can't confirm this.

    If this is the case, then you should take a two step process as outlined in this thread http://www.hackint0sh.org/f127/96716.htm but in your situation the whole procedure applies to the same iPhone.

    Quote Originally Posted by unclemiltie View Post
    It seems like the guides that once were maintained here are no longer being kept up to date. (in the genius bar) IS that because sites like iclarified have guides that are accurate and there is no need? Are the guides there the right answers for my two phones?
    The guides at iClarified are the most up to date, clear and concise. You have a point that many of the guides here at hackint0sh are not well maintained, however for the 2G, the situation has been the same for a long time now. BootNeuter - permanent unlock (released before OS 2.0) does not need updating. Jailbreak via pwnage exploit, can't be blocked by Apple.
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    thanks for the answers, I'm pretty close to understand what I need. Some follow-ups:

    1: on the 2G I had it unlocked since I was using it on ATT in the US, China mobile in China and my pan-Europe prepaid in Europe. (which is exactly what I want to do with the 3GS)

    So it sounds like what I want to do is build a custom ipsw using Pwnage based on the 3.1.2 firmware and then use itunes to install that firmware into the phone. That should give me a jailbroken and unlocked phone. then activate the phone with the old iPhone SIM via itunes. I then install SBSprefs to turn off EDGE and let one of the kids use it on ATT as their phone/ipod. (and can use it as my backup if I have issues with getting teh 3GS to where I want it)



    2: so I start with Pwnage on the 3GS and build a custom ipsw based on 3.1.2. Install that firmware with itunes, use itunes to activate. that gets me a jailbroken phone. Then I load and run BlackSn0w to unlock the phone (I can test if the non-US SIMS work since I do have them here) I understand that I may need to do some extra work to patch lockdownd. Question:

    if I get the wifi problem, what do I do? Am I out of luck on an unlock and have to restore back to the apple 3.1.2 and live with the locked phone? or if I do something different will I see different results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemiltie View Post
    thanks for the answers, I'm pretty close to understand what I need. Some follow-ups:

    1: on the 2G I had it unlocked since I was using it on ATT in the US, China mobile in China and my pan-Europe prepaid in Europe. (which is exactly what I want to do with the 3GS)

    So it sounds like what I want to do is build a custom ipsw using Pwnage based on the 3.1.2 firmware and then use itunes to install that firmware into the phone. That should give me a jailbroken and unlocked phone. then activate the phone with the old iPhone SIM via itunes. I then install SBSprefs to turn off EDGE and let one of the kids use it on ATT as their phone/ipod. (and can use it as my backup if I have issues with getting teh 3GS to where I want it)
    Yeah that sounds right. Pay attention to the question about "can you activate this phone normally through iTunes" or something like that when you run pwnagetool.

    Quote Originally Posted by unclemiltie View Post
    2: so I start with Pwnage on the 3GS and build a custom ipsw based on 3.1.2. Install that firmware with itunes, use itunes to activate. that gets me a jailbroken phone. Then I load and run BlackSn0w to unlock the phone (I can test if the non-US SIMS work since I do have them here) I understand that I may need to do some extra work to patch lockdownd. Question:

    if I get the wifi problem, what do I do? Am I out of luck on an unlock and have to restore back to the apple 3.1.2 and live with the locked phone? or if I do something different will I see different results?
    Yeah you will need to restore back and live with a locked phone. There is no fix for this now. There exists no easy toggle for turning blacksn0w on and off like you have for ultrasn0w.

    You could try uninstalling blacksn0w and doing a reset network settings to see if that fixes it.
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    I built and installed the 3.12 custom ipsw on the 2G last night. Activated the phone by plugging into itunes, everything seemed OK. Synced it as a new phone, itunes installed all of my itunes apps and I thought I was good to go.

    To test how the unlock would work I figured this morning that I'd shove the China Mobile SIM into it and make sure it works. Unfortunately it doesn't.

    The phone complains that the SIM has changed and that I need to connect to itunes, which then complains that the SIM is not supported in the phone.


    When I did this with Pwnage with the 2.2 iPhone release a long while back, I did not have this issue. So, from what I gather I can either:

    1: build the ipsw to not activate the phone, have itunes activate and then install the right certs for the push notifications BUT have the issue of when I put a new SIM in it won't go (is this fixed with the patch to lockdownd that you mentioned earlier?)

    2: build the ipsw to activate the phone, but have issues with building the push notification certs? But with this, the new SIM should work just fine?


    Thanks again for all of your help!

    -bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemiltie View Post
    I built and installed the 3.12 custom ipsw on the 2G last night. Activated the phone by plugging into itunes, everything seemed OK. Synced it as a new phone, itunes installed all of my itunes apps and I thought I was good to go.

    To test how the unlock would work I figured this morning that I'd shove the China Mobile SIM into it and make sure it works. Unfortunately it doesn't.

    The phone complains that the SIM has changed and that I need to connect to itunes, which then complains that the SIM is not supported in the phone.


    When I did this with Pwnage with the 2.2 iPhone release a long while back, I did not have this issue. So, from what I gather I can either:

    1: build the ipsw to not activate the phone, have itunes activate and then install the right certs for the push notifications BUT have the issue of when I put a new SIM in it won't go (is this fixed with the patch to lockdownd that you mentioned earlier?)
    Yeah, when you hacktivate, it patches lockdownd. If you legitimately activate, then copy in a patched lockdownd you should have the best of both worlds.
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    I think I get it.

    so which is the right order to get things done:

    1: build a non-activated ipsw, install it, activate with itunes and copy some stuff off the phone. Then build an activated ipsw, install it and then copy the stuff back onto the phone (I assume I'm copying certificates for push here)

    2: build an activated ipsw, install it and then copy some stuff from the phone, then build a non-activated ipsw, install it, activate with itunes and then copy the stuff back ontothe phone (I assume I'm copying the lockdownd)


    Right now, I'm trying to follow the directions to get the certs from my itunes activated phone but for some reason I can't SSH onto the phone, it's timing out. (I've installed OpenSSH and have chnaged the root password with mobile terminal)


    thanks again!

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    To answer my own question:

    What I did was to first build and install an ipsw that needed to be activated in itunes. connected, activated and turned on push (via the ebay app) Followed the directions to extract the keys/certs (4-files) to my mac.

    Then I built and installed an ipsw that was hacktivated. Connected up as new phone, followed the directions to install the keys/certs from the mac.


    now everything seems to work. I've tried my two other SIMs in the phone and they install and register (the China one gets no service in the US, the Europe one connects up to T-mobile)

    Thanks again for your help. It looks like I have to go the same path for the 3GS (with old boot rom) That's my next project

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olethros View Post


    Yeah you will need to restore back and live with a locked phone. There is no fix for this now. There exists no easy toggle for turning blacksn0w on and off like you have for ultrasn0w.

    You could try uninstalling blacksn0w and doing a reset network settings to see if that fixes it.
    OK, now onto the 3GS here's what I think that I need to do (in order)

    1: build custom ipsw with pwnage for 3.1.2, not activated but jailbroken. upload to the phone, activate with itunes, set up as new phone, install a push application
    2: extract certificates and keys from push
    3: build custom ipsw with pwnage for 3.1.2, activated, jailbroken. upload to phone, set up as new phone.
    4: inject certificates and keys for push
    5: install and valiate push application
    6: install Blacksn0w to unlock

    and if the WiFi problem shows up, then I repeat step 3-5 and deal with no unlock until you guys figure it out. (and don't give the unlocked 2G to the kids!)

    did I get that right?


 

 
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