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    Default Open Letter to AT&T and Steve Jobs

    Hello:

    This is mostly directed at you AT&T, because Apple is somewhat innocent and you are not.

    Well, it looks as though the world has finally put an end to corporate greed by allowing us, the consumer, to unlock our iPhones so we can freely move about the world without being tied to one cell phone carrier. We hope you have learned that people are simply not going to put up with your corporate greed anymore. After all, when you analyze it, it is not fair to "lock" a person's electronic device to one particular service, like a cell phone carrier, in the first place.

    It is like locking a nice, new flat panel tv being locked to the cable company. What if I move out of the country? What if I just want to use another cable company? Oh, wait, isn't this supposed to be a capitalist society, with laws against monopolization, since people have specific preferences for a few select cell phones? Clearly, locking an electronic device, like the iPhone, or any other phone for that matter, is both inline with monopolization and an unfair business practice. Monopolization: by locking the phone, you are not allowing any of your competition to serve the iPhone. In the case of the iPhone, we bought and paid for a device that is primarily a phone, but so much more, without signing any contract with anyone. But you crippled it out of the box. That is hardly fair.

    This practice of locking phones has to stop immediately, it is like the tobacco racket. There is no reason why cell phone companies should be allowed to do this. The cell phone industry is like any other. You have the device manufacturers, and you have the service suppliers. Apple, Sony, Samsung, all make great products, and WE have the right to choose what service we want to link with. The quad band phones, GSM, are great, because if you travel a lot or move away, you can obtain a SIM card from another carrier in the local area and start using your phone under local rates. Cell phones by definition are worldy, mobile devices and locking them is totally contradictory to their purpose.

    Not only have you resorted to business malpractice out of sheer greed, but you are now disabling wifi chips in select smartphones so people are forced to use your network to obtain internet access on their phones. Again, that is totally unfair and meddling with features the manufacturer has put on the phone, and worked hard to do - features consumers want and need.

    All this, out of sheer greed to have us on over priced, crap plans.

    Solution: stop doing it and save everyone the trouble. By the way, the iPhone is completely unlocked, and everything works, except visual voicemail.

    Please go fuck yourself AT&T.
    Last edited by freudling; 09-15-2007 at 09:52 AM.



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    Time to change the bong water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freudling View Post

    Please go fuck yourself AT&T.
    Haha, Cant wait for the reply

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    totally pointless email

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    Do you really think APPLE wasn't the mastermind behind locking the iPhone to AT&T, AT&T was just their choice. Apple are very very far from innocent in this! They get kickbacks for every single minute of air time sold on an AT&T plan. They are making sooooooooo much money out of the kickbacks they could afford to drop the price by 33.3% 2 months after its release.

    This letter should be addressed to Apple not AT&T.

    By the way, I LOVE the iPhone, I have had one now since its release and I have unlocked it. I am not an Apple hater.


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    It's immaturity like that which will make Steve Jobs say, "I'm not going to take anything these kids say seriously. Engineers, break everything they do."

    Besides, it is Apple you should be angry at:

    They made the deal with AT&T. (Although every phone maker in the US does make deals like this, Apple could have been the first to break the mould.)

    They are the ones who get to update the baseband, which will or won't break the unlock.

    They decide when to roll it out in overseas countries, forcing people to wait.

    They could have chosen to sell an extra model, unlocked, at a slightly higher price, allowing people to do what they want.

    So, actually, you should direct your adolescent rage at Apple. And if you want to be really immature, do what the Pirate Bay does with Apple's Lawyers... http://static.thepiratebay.org/apple_response.txt

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    What resopnses.

    Look, you have all missed the point of the post. It isn't so much about just the iPhone, it is the problems with locking cell phones. I just used the iPhone to illustrate.

    Now, most all cell phones are locked to their respective carriers. It IS the cell phone carriers fault, that is what the industry does to cell phones. It is hard to buy a cell phone out of the box that you like and start using it on any GSM network you want. You have to buy them from ebay, or tigerdirect, or an unlock store.

    There are many reasons why Apple went with AT&T, but AT&T are the ones, like most every other cell phone carrier, that requires their cell phones be locked to them. Apple doesn't care. They will sell more by the unlock, forget the kickbacks. Kickbacks are just rumours, and even if they are making some kickbacks, they are still making money. The iPhone now costs Apple about $200 USD to manufacture, and a few bucks to get shipped. They are making about $195 per iPhone sale. They don't need any kickbacks.

    Their profit so far from iPhone sales has been about $350, 000 000 USD (conservative estimate).

    As for selling in other countries, do you have any idea how running a business works? It takes time. You have to make phone calls, set up meetings, make deals. It is a process. Apple released to the US, and is expanding to the best of their ability. They haven't gone abroad yet because they are still dealing with finalizing terms with other countries' cell phone carriers. Case in point - Rogers in Canada is still dealing with Apple because they can't offer a cheap enough data plan accceptable to Apple. Also, they simply were and still are not ready to manufacture that many iPhones. Look at all the shortages of flash memory, lcd screens, raw materials. Apple is subject to these manufacturing shortages, as well as the fact that they just can't manufacture enough iPhones to go worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freudling View Post
    ... AT&T are the ones, like most every other cell phone carrier, that requires their cell phones be locked to them. Apple doesn't care. They will sell more by the unlock, forget the kickbacks. Kickbacks are just rumours, and even if they are making some kickbacks, they are still making money. The iPhone now costs Apple about $200 USD to manufacture, and a few bucks to get shipped. They are making about $195 per iPhone sale. They don't need any kickbacks.
    According to investment analyst Gene Munster: “While we do not know the exact details of the agreement, we conservatively estimate that AT&T gives Apple $3 per month (over the life of the 24 month contract) for every iPhone customer already with AT&T and $11 per month for every new subscriber”.

    Clearly, locking in existing AT&T clients is not the profit center for Apple since they only make $72 from each of them over the life of the subscriber's AT&T service term.

    But Apple's incentive to keep the iPhone locked is large since they make $264 for every subscriber that has to switch to AT&T (over the course of a 2 year service contract). That's more than the $195 that you estimate Apple profits on each iPhone hardware sale-- and all Apple has to do to earn that money is keep the iPhone locked.

    I wonder what the true answer is to this big question: does Apple profit more in service agreement revenue by keeping the iPhone unlocked, or does Apple make more money by selling unlocked iPhones to a larger market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell View Post
    Haha, Cant wait for the reply
    If you can't wait.. then what are you going to do for the next eternity?

 

 

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