Wishful Thinking

TurboSIM costs around 139 Euros which is roughly around $180.

If we donate just a portion of that on what we'd spend on the TurboSIM:

- It will be a lot cheaper than spending $180

- Your carrier SIM card will stay intact (No cutting)

- The Dev Team will have a greater incentive to Speed up the Full Unlocking

- The Dev Team might just surprise us anytime while your TurboSIM is probably still "In Transit"

- The Dev Team might feel (unconsciously) discouraged that everyone is adopting other methods of (fake) unlocking and might start to feel tired of their exercise because of that

- Folks like me won't have to feel left out of the TurboSIM-My-iPhone-Is-Finaly-Working Party

I know you folks are just as impatient as me to finally get your phone working, but I still have full trust on the Dev Team.

I think the whole community of non-working iPhone users counted on them since the beginning and I am still engaged to support them till they finally find their way.

Let's not waste anymore money (a lot was already wasted on SIM cloning), and instead donate and support the Dev Team.

Thank you for listening. :p

H. Bennis

This is all very well, but to be honest i don't think the DEV team will speed up i think they are already working at full pelt, i am also an iphone user but without the phone part! I am relying on the team aswell but nothing we do will speed them up, we just have to sit tight wait and hope!

for me I trust the Dev Team and I already donate not just to unlock but for all effort to free up iphone.

all 3rd party app we see now part of that is from Dev efforts

I already donate, and now it's time to action.

You really think we don't have the unlock yet because the dev team are waiting for more money?

Originally Posted by rontonic

You really think we don't have the unlock yet because the dev team are waiting for more money?

That's not what I am saying.

What I mean is that we should keep focus and support toward our initial goal of the Dev Team Unlock and not get lost in the excitement of fake methods.

OK I'll come out with the cynical hat on.

Europe (inc UK) want the unlock so we can use our cool iPhones before they are released over here. Any European release will require (due to legislation) the possibility of unlock as we shift network providers regularly, keeping our old numbers, when better tariffs are introduced. In short, it's a more liquid and competitive market. Some countries have 'no-lock' legislation.

Until then, whilst the iPhone is AT&T only in the US, AT&T are making a fortune on roaming iPhone users (i.e. the rich ones) - $3000 bills have been mentioned IIRC.

Apple stand to lose nothing by the iPhone being unlocked now. AT&T however stand to lose a LOT - many US consumers who hate AT&T will buy one, and roaming AT&T customers will be able to use local pre-paid SIMs when travelling.

So if I was an AT&T executive, regardless of legislation, I'd be trying to bribe the 'dev team' into putting their main efforts into OS X app development and toolchain development, and slowing down the unlock effort. I presume this is illegal in the USA, but AT&T probably have better lawyers than the 'dev team'.

Sorry for being cynical but that's what I'd do. Giving money to the dev team will certainly help them along, but if AT&T are giving them MUCH more to slow down, then your 'help' will mean fuck all. The Geohot issue with his disagreement over secrecy further raises suspicions (after all, assuming the dev team can get round AT&T, they can sell the unlock for big money).

From my analysis it looks like the big issue regarding patching the firmware of both the phone (S-Gold2 RTOS) and the separate BB5 OS (key signature checker, if present) is simply control of private keys by Apple.

Thus I'd guess that the first unlocker will be someone experienced in hacking public/private key encryption, and who is not either open to legal threats from AT&T or not based in the USA. Then again, DVD Jon claimed he'd have an unlock today and it's not here.

The dev team have done fantastic things - without them I wouldn't have my early-bought phone from the US working as a neat unix tool plus the wifi activated stuff (compiling toolchain has been a right pain when you don't know whether the original devs were using Intel or PPC Macs though, and my main Mac is a quad G5, but have Intel MacBook available for the rest). So no disrespect from me to the dev team.

But there's big money involved here. Do you think AT&T, who already have a silly monopoly position compared to mobile networks in Europe, will take an easy unlock lying down??? FFS even Apple, who I'm a crazy fanboy for, sling cease-and-desist legal letters around when things get remotely dodgy.

Unless the entire dev team are based in the Czech Republic or somewhere, I'd guess that AT&T have already contacted them. I'd be interested to hear what they said, but I'll bet it's all NDA and legally hushed up.

Again, apologies for the cynicism.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I though the TurboSim was 49 Euro plus 15 euro by mail?

Why has turbo sim come into this? We in europe need a real software unlock to use our phones to full use! If AT&T have contacted the DEV team then my guessing is they will have slowed them down, AT&T will be willing to give a lot lot more money to DEV than all of us put together (for the reasons above) If this has happened then im putting my money on DVD Jon To be first with the Unlock, also as said above the alegded unlock day is today?? But was this a real roumor from a good source?

Originally Posted by hak

Correct me if I am wrong, but I though the TurboSim was 49 Euro plus 15 euro by mail?

it's €59 plus €20 for snail mail or €80 for FedEx.