Discuss [Leaked 1.1.3 Jailbreak] Very Important Information you should know! at the General - Hackint0sh.org; i hate calling it "Nates Jailbreak" as i know its originaly a dev team development, ...
i hate calling it "Nates Jailbreak" as i know its originaly a dev team development, but i continue calling it this way to be clear what i'm talking about"
Right now, i have the nate release working flawless without having any problems (except the not working localize feature of google maps), so i don't see any reason to restore my phone and get dev team jailbreak.
Regarding the SDK kit, i dont make myself too much worries. When SDK ist released and indeed will only work with the DEV Team release, i will restore and do the dev team jailbreak. But i dont see any motive right now for changing to dev team release.
Anyways i must admit that i'm disappointed with dev team release. Or mainly not by the release itself, but by the information policy of the dev team:
First of all we were told "We got a jailbreak but we won't publish it till the SDK release" So everybody started begging... and suddenly when nate published his jailbreak, the dev team announced they are going also for release, no matter when SDK is going to be released... and of course promised they jailbreak will be better, as nates is just a "half finished jailbreak"... so all of us thought this will be a true jailbreak with root access and 1.1.3 baseband. But at the end, it is absolutely the same jailbreak with a SDK feature nobody can test or can tell if it will work, once SDK is published.
I'm thankfull for what DEV Team gave us and for all their work... but right now, its also the fault of their information policy the whole situation got that ugly. I hope this will be some kind of lesson to them for increase the amount of information they are giving us. It not that we want a briefing every day... but just some kind of information on the progress and no hints like "some last minute problems".
lol man, I know how to fix anyone's method in this case - roll back, re-jailbreak with a better method. which one's better? the one that has less bugs. simple? hell yeah!
the case is, you look stupid trying to promote one method over another having no information, just the gossip of one devteam member who didn't even care to display the proof of his words... or maybe he cared to be "cooler" so much that he preferred to hide the problems in nate's JB method just to say later "I was right, you see?" then he's an asshole tbh, because these forums are supposed to help people, in whatever situation they are.
im glad you all think its very easy. but this is not a how easy do you think it is to redo everything thread...
this thread goes out to everyone out there who keep saying there is no difference, or who keeps asking whats the difference between the two methods. this is for those who haven't made a move yet and are trying to decide which method to use.
i aint promoting shit. i am promoting what each version has over the other. but of course you can pick whatever method u want. im still on 1.1.2 so what do i care.
originally OTB 1.1.2 iPhone 4.6BL
now blackra1n'd 3.1.2
think everyone in something... Nate True make it real for all users (Jailbreak). So, stop saying stupid things, we have so much time to correct SW errors. That most important fact its 1.1.3 is out and working
Ok I'm not one who ever bought into the whole competing teams crap and all that bollox that clearly is hyper-inflated here, between Geohot, Dev-team, Elite-team blah blah woof woof.
I, like most average iPhone users, just want and appreciate the results and will show my support for the group, person, small yappy dog that looks the most promising.
Now that being said, I've had an iphone since release and I must say that only initially did I have strong support for the Dev-team. However even after the initial Geohot crap, the Dev-team seemed to be strong on promises short on results.
I fully accept that this is far from indepth knowledge and the preface for the following sentences are that I acknowledge, like, love blah blah woof woof the work that good people are putting into the iPhone.
It seems to me that the Dev-team always say "It's coming" and someone always beats them to the punch.
All my methods for unlocking Jailbreaking etc so far (with the exception of Oktoprep which I'm not to sure who was responsible for that) came from sources other than the Dev-team.
They appear to come to the party several days after the solution with a supposed better solution that is based heavily on what is already released.
Conversely, anySIM is quite possibly one of the most invaluable additions to the software catalogue that there is and the opensourcing of it shows a commitment to the idea rather than the noteriety.
The few people who speak on behalf of the Dev-team here and on IRC appear to take the same method of reply, which generally echoes along the lines of,
"It's more complicated than you think and we have no time to explain it to you. Snide rude remark to follow"
Public relations wise, the Dev-team is a mess. The group claims(ed) to be open and just a gathering of people with a common goal, but clearly are assembled in such a way that selection and cliquish behaviour is promoted. You're not part of the Dev team so you don't need to know anything.
From a community point of view this is annoying. As with anything, we just want to know what is going on. What is there to hide?
From an indepdendent developers point of view, getting decent information about what is upcoming from you guys is damn near impossible without coming to a confrontation.
Ok to wrap this up and get back on topic...
There were obvious differences about the idea of when to release this Jailbreak, Nate had his, and the Dev-team (or a select few that thereof) had theirs.
Nate went ahead and released, and the dev-team got pissed. It just looks like they have sour grapes for being beaten to the punch.
Yes, his method may botch up the Nikita verification method, but you can bet your sweet arse that as soon as SDK apps are released and if it does botch up, someone will publish on installer a fix or a reversal and whether its Dev-team, Elite, Captain Independent or Apple themselves, for the most of us, two hours after release, we don't care.
And once more, this is how an average user see's this stuff.
They generally don't care too much where the software comes from, just as long as it comes.
The bottom line is this.
If the Dev-Team want to stop appearing as sore losers in the race to release, then stop acting like it. Don't make these overarching warnings of "anySIM By anyone else than us WILL FUCK UP YOUR PHONE INDEFINATELY!!" or "JAILBREAKING BEFORE SDK WILL KILL YOUR MOTHER AND PET GOLDFISH!!!" Because, it's speculative, childish, and in my humble experience, wrong most of the time.
As always though with any software, Dev-team or otherwise, people just need to take the time to read, prepare and follow guides. Also tip your hat to the local developer that you choose to use. (Hell they probably all started from the same group in the first place anyway)
If Nates soft upgrade is not the right direction the Dev Team wanted to go then every link and thread containing his method should be deleted from this message board.
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