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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperzine View Post
    Yes is true 1 millon sold but less then 600,00 AT&T activation, but how much profit is that?
    According to investment analyst Gene Munster: “While we do not know the exact details of the agreement, we conservatively estimate that AT&T gives Apple $3 per month (over the life of the 24 month contract) for every iPhone customer already with AT&T and $11 per month for every new subscriber,”.

    Clearly, existing AT&T clients are not the profit center since Apple only makes $72 from each of them over the life of the subscriber's AT&T service term.

    But Apple's incentive to keep the iPhone locked is large since they make $264 for every subscriber that has to switch to AT&T (over the course of a 2 year service contract). I would venture to guess that Apple makes more from the phone service than they do from the iPhone hardware-- at least in the case of ppl who have to switch to AT&T to use the iPhone.

    I would guess that Apple is working the same kind of revenue share with the European phone carriers.

    The big question: would Apple make more money by selling unlocked iPhones than they do currently from the telephone service fees?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperzine View Post
    I feel that is just much more money in it then selling iphones.
    If you want an iphone you have to play by the rules of apple.....

    Just what i think.
    Are you saying that the iPhone should be locked? There are alot of people who feel that way, and many who think we're doing something wrong by seeking and finding the unlock. I personally believe, though, that freeing the iPhone is a wonderful thing - the iPhone was meant to soar, not be chained to a halfwit carrier like ATT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ldhilljr View Post
    Are you saying that the iPhone should be locked? There are alot of people who feel that way, and many who think we're doing something wrong by seeking and finding the unlock. I personally believe, though, that freeing the iPhone is a wonderful thing - the iPhone was meant to soar, not be chained to a halfwit carrier like ATT.
    Can i get an Amen to that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldhilljr View Post
    Are you saying that the iPhone should be locked? There are alot of people who feel that way, and many who think we're doing something wrong by seeking and finding the unlock. I personally believe, though, that freeing the iPhone is a wonderful thing - the iPhone was meant to soar, not be chained to a halfwit carrier like ATT.
    In no way do I want the iphone locked as I'm one of them. But I'm just making the point that apple holds all the cards. So what I think apple thinks is... if you want to use an iphone then play by there rules.

    They have have a contract with ATT&T and other mobile carriers, so I just think that apple will have to lock the iphone.... Even if the could sell more phones with the unlocking it.

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    I think they will attempt to lock up the phone again. Clearly the way they handled this credit is indicative of how they feel re: their relationship w/ at&t. They know other carriers, esp ones in other markets they promised exclusivity, are watching them to see how they handle this situation. Proactively relocking the phone will make sure their international contracts retain value. They may leave some doors open to making hacking their fixes not so difficult, but I would not count on it personally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bleumon View Post
    According to investment analyst Gene Munster: “While we do not know the exact details of the agreement, we conservatively estimate that AT&T gives Apple $3 per month (over the life of the 24 month contract) for every iPhone customer already with AT&T and $11 per month for every new subscriber,”.

    Clearly, existing AT&T clients are not the profit center since Apple only makes $72 from each of them over the life of the subscriber's AT&T service term.

    But Apple's incentive to keep the iPhone locked is large since they make $264 for every subscriber that has to switch to AT&T (over the course of a 2 year service contract). I would venture to guess that Apple makes more from the phone service than they do from the iPhone hardware-- at least in the case of ppl who have to switch to AT&T to use the iPhone.

    I would guess that Apple is working the same kind of revenue share with the European phone carriers.

    The big question: would Apple make more money by selling unlocked iPhones than they do currently from the telephone service fees?

    They can sell unlocked phones in European countries that forbids carrier-locked phone but will be at a significant mark-up. For example:$399 + $264 to make up for the lost revenue from the carrier subsidy. It has been estimated that the manufacturing cost for each iPhone is around $250 (not including R&D) and Apple is booking the sales revenue of iPhone (not sure if it specifies only those activiated w/ AT&T) over 2 years. They do have every reason to relock.

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    I don't think apple will on purpose try to lock up the phones again. I believe it will be a natural side effect of them fixing bugs and implementing new features.

    We have to hope they don't fix the bug that allows software to flash the firmware.

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    First off, I think the next update WILL Lock the phone. If it doesn't, then ATT is going to be giving our fruity friend a LOT of pressure. Just like with the 360, commodor4eva said that microsoft would NOT ban you from live because it would make them lose money, they would just prevent you from going online. While they COULD have done it, they want to set an example for others and create fear just like with the original xbox... My vote says it will lock. There is no reason for them NOT to do it. And for a large fortune 500 company to let such a BIG thing slide when its in every major news site and discussion board would be a very bad bad move from a business point of view. It would tell ATT and other telecommunication companies that Apple doesn't care about ATT or their contract.

    I'm not saying that this guys info is really from a good source, but I do agree with the fact that the iphone will get locked... Not so sure about bricked, but definately locked.

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    It will lock, it's sure. Exactly as reverting to original 1.0.2 firmware locks the phone again. But the question is will they fix the bug that allow to write to baseband.

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    Okay, suppose that the next firmware update does really lock the iPhone. Do you guys belive that the Hyper-Card unlocking method will continue working? What about Turbo-Sim? And the whole activation thing?

    I'm asking this because I don't have an iPhone yet but I'm considering buying one. I'm not from the usa, so having all that trouble to buy an iPhone and get it locked up again after a week of use isn't the best scenario I can think of...

    Thanks


 

 
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