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    Thanks for the quick reply. I updated my firmware to version 4.21.1 which was the latest for my router, but the results are the same. I get the logon screen for my router. It looks like I have the Dyndns thing set up correctly on the router. On the port forwarding, my only question on the router is the Application name that I use for the port forwarding. Is it Eyeconnect, or is there some other application name I should be using. Is my problem indicative of a port forwarding problem or something else? I am assuming I can try this out from my home computer by just using the same URL that I would use if I was away from home. Should I be able to try it without DynDNS by just using the ip address which is auto-detected on the DynDNS page...ie 68.XX.XX.XX:2170/eyetv/?
    Sorry for so many questions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinkaboutit View Post
    Thanks for the quick reply. I updated my firmware to version 4.21.1 which was the latest for my router, but the results are the same. I get the logon screen for my router. It looks like I have the Dyndns thing set up correctly on the router. On the port forwarding, my only question on the router is the Application name that I use for the port forwarding. Is it Eyeconnect, or is there some other application name I should be using. Is my problem indicative of a port forwarding problem or something else? I am assuming I can try this out from my home computer by just using the same URL that I would use if I was away from home. Should I be able to try it without DynDNS by just using the ip address which is auto-detected on the DynDNS page...ie 68.XX.XX.XX:2170/eyetv/?
    Sorry for so many questions
    Allan
    Hi Allan!
    The application name should be of your choice, choose the one you like. the only important thing is to forward the private port 2170 (from your mac) to the public port 2170 (of your router).
    i dont know your router to good but the reason you see the router-login might be that you try it from inside your wlan. so you request a page that is looked up extern (the dyndns name) and make your way back into your lan through the router. My router draytek 2900G does the trick some others are known to not do it.
    can you try it from outside on a hotspot? do you know someone with an iphone or a mac/safari 3 who could try via internet. If not you can send me your dyndns url via pm and i could try.
    some routers dont like the in-and-out-game with dyndns, eve though it works from outside


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    6 year old? Hmmm, let's see...

    First of: In order to be able to reach your EyeTV archive from the "outside" internet, you need full access to the router in order to tell it where to send the visitors. If for some reason you can't change the settings of the router (the bully guard), there is no way to share your EyeTV recordings with the outside world.

    Okay, now for the 7 year olds: There are two things to get straight in order to make sure that you and your buddies can access your EyeTV archive with an iPhone from anywhere in the world.
    Let's imagine we're talking about an office building and a certain company inside this office building that offers EyeTV sharing. In this analogy, the office building is your local computer network with offices of all your PCs, Macs, WiFi, iPhones and whathaveyous, all connected to the internet with one modem and a router to enable all your devices to access the internet. The certain company you want to visit is your EyeTV streaming service.
    So, first you have to make sure that you go to the correct building. Then you have to take the correct entrance and go to that specific company that you want to visit within this building.

    1.
    Going to the "Address of the Building":
    In the real world, you can identify a building by either its street address ("234 Greenwich Street") or by its GPS coordinates (like on google maps). Same with the internet: You can either type into your browser an easy-toremember-address (www.officebuilding.com, the "Domain Name") or its external IP address (123.456.789.10) - the result is the same: Either one identifies a specific server - the "office building".
    Unlike in the real world, the external IP address of your network (the "building") may change (most DSL providers change it once a day, so the GPS-analogy fails here). But with a service like DynDNS, that does not really matter, since it just uses an easy-to-remember-address to POINT to an IP address; if that IP address changes, so does the POINTER to that address. DynDNS can update that automatically -- all you need is someone to tell DynDNS that the IP address has changed, so it can then also point all visitors to the esay-to-remember-address to the new IP. This is done by either a program on the Mac, or it's done in the internet router that connects all your different devices with the internet.

    So, again: In your browser, you can type in either the (temporary) IP address that your DSL provider gives you or you can use a service like DynDNS in order to use an easy-to-remember-address. They both lead to the main door of a certain building, namely your own local network. Inside this building (your network), all the offices (all your different devices like Macs, PCs, internet telephones) have their own numbers, which -- irritatingly maybe -- also are IP numbers, but this time they are "internal IP numbers", since they are all in the same building:

    2.
    Reaching the correct "Company Office" in that office building
    So, after entering the IP address or the DynDNS address of your local network, your visitors have reached the main door of your office building -- they have reached your local network from the internet!

    But at the main door there are no signs to the actual offices within that building. And - what's more - there is a bully guard asking them what they want. That bully guard is part of your router.
    That guard is there for many reasons. Firstly, he makes sure that no one can enter your network without the permission to do so. Secondly, he has a list of all the numbers of all the offices in the building -- he personally assigned these numbers to them ("DHCP server"). Thirdly, he has a list of all the different services that these individual offices can provide to visitors (i. e. which device in your network can offer printing, serving web pages, providing FTP up- and downloads, Voice-over-IP etc.). This is a list that you have to give to him ("port forwarding").
    All the different services have their own entrance, or "port". For example, serving web-pages is usually done over port number 80. So all the incoming visitors that want to see your webserver are coming in the main door area through entrance number 80. Your router then sends them to your device that you told him to send them to when you set up your port forwarding.

    Cut to the chase, dammit!
    So, let's assume that someone wants to watch your EyeTV archive from somewhere on the internet. He enters either your current IP address or your easy-to-remember-address that you registered at DynDNS. Since EyeTV sharing isn't really a common service, he also enters the port number of that service, namely 2170. And additionally he enters the name of the directory that this service is located at on your local Mac, namely the directory /eyetv/
    So, all in all it would look something like this:
    http://123.456.789.10:2170/eyetv/
    or
    http://easy-to-remember-address.com:2170/eyetv/
    They both mean the same.

    Your router then will have two things to do:
    1. Check, if that specific entrance in the main door area is open to visitors (i.e. check the firewall: Is that port allowed to be used?)
    2. Redirect all visitors who wish to use port number 2170 to the internal IP number of the Mac inside your network that holds the EyeTV archive (port forwarding).

    So basically, all you have to do is two things:
    1. Make sure that your local network can be found from the outside (either distribute your current IP address to your friends or get DynDNS running [on your Mac or the router] and don't worry about changing IP addresses).
    2. Make sure that your router firewall allows traffic on port 2170 and that port forwarding in your router is set so that all incoming requests at port number 2170 is sent from your router exactely to the Mac holding the EyeTV archive, i. e. its internal IP number. Which therefore should always be the same, so you should "map" the DHCP server of your router to always give the same device the same internal IP address. The way of doing this differs from router model to router model, so you may want to check your router's manual, if you're not sure how to assign "static" internal IP addresses to certain devices in your network.

    Sorry for being so lenghty, but I dove in with the image of a 6 year old in my head and I seem to have resurfaced seeing that same 6 year old graduating form high school already... Sorry again and I hope that this "War and Peace" at least answered more questions than it brought up
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    That explanation made a lot of sense. Thank you!

    Also- thank you, volkspost for your help as well.

    I think the bottom line is... I can't share outside the school's network unless I make friends with the IT department (which I will try!)

    The good news is... it seems to work all across our campus (where as a program like iTunes only shares songs within small sub-groups across campus).

    ---

    I've stumbled upon one other issue. I'm not really sure if this is the best place to post the question (but everyone's been so helpful).

    I've got an updated version of QuickTime. I can stream the video fine in FireFox. It's not working, however, in Explorer.

    I don't really use Explorer - but several of the faculty here do. I plan to use EyeTV as a way to stream recorded programs (instead of creating DVDs of every show that the faculty wants recorded).

    Is there an easy fix for this?
    I'm running IE v.6.0.2900 on Windows XP
    I can pull up the EyeTV menu. I see the show title and description - but there's no thumbnail to click to start the streaming. A message at the bottom of the browser indicates there's an "Error on page." - but it doesn't indicate what that error is.

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvfrog View Post
    That explanation made a lot of sense. Thank you!

    Also- thank you, volkspost for your help as well.

    I think the bottom line is... I can't share outside the school's network unless I make friends with the IT department (which I will try!)

    The good news is... it seems to work all across our campus (where as a program like iTunes only shares songs within small sub-groups across campus).

    ---

    I've stumbled upon one other issue. I'm not really sure if this is the best place to post the question (but everyone's been so helpful).

    I've got an updated version of QuickTime. I can stream the video fine in FireFox. It's not working, however, in Explorer.

    I don't really use Explorer - but several of the faculty here do. I plan to use EyeTV as a way to stream recorded programs (instead of creating DVDs of every show that the faculty wants recorded).

    Is there an easy fix for this?
    I'm running IE v.6.0.2900 on Windows XP
    I can pull up the EyeTV menu. I see the show title and description - but there's no thumbnail to click to start the streaming. A message at the bottom of the browser indicates there's an "Error on page." - but it doesn't indicate what that error is.

    Thanks again!
    it does not even offer all capabilities when using firefox. the only full supported browser is safari 3 for mac and/or windows

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    At this time, only Safari Mobile (on the iPhone), Safari 3 (beta) and Firefox seem to work properly with EyeTV sharing; no Explorer or Safari 2 (the "regular" taste) are supporting the protocol just yet.
    So it would be up to MS to update their browser in order to make it work for your friends with IE. But wouldn't it always... ;-)
    best of luck to you and your micro-TV station!
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    OK, I am trying this again.
    I just got FIOS going, and have a new router.
    when i access it, I have the option for PORT FORWARDING.
    when I go there, I have the following screen:



    From the drop down protocol list, I am given the following options:



    Any ideas what to enter?

    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torontogosh View Post
    OK, I am trying this again.
    I just got FIOS going, and have a new router.
    when i access it, I have the option for PORT FORWARDING.
    when I go there, I have the following screen:

    From the drop down protocol list, I am given the following options:


    Any ideas what to enter?

    thanks!
    Hit the red link named add. dont know your router but this should popup a dialog where you can define a new serice. probably choose a name of your choice, port 2170 both udp and tcp and save. then choose this newly added service from the pulldown menu. they only provide standard services by default, so any non-standard (same for game-servers) has to be added before you can choose it from the dropdowm



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    Man, this is so frustrating!

    on the bright side, I know know a heck of a lot more abot routers, and IP addresses than I did before.


    Ok, so, here is my new router config based on what you (I think) said to do.





    That look about right?

    It still doesn't work, however.
    I have DynDNS up and running, when I log in to dyndns I see the IP address matches the one of my router.

    I am running EYE TV on a Mac Pro, connected via ethernet directly from the router, no firewall turned on the Mac.

    should "sharing" settings matter?

    Thanks for any more suggestions.
    Last edited by Torontogosh; 10-19-2007 at 03:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torontogosh View Post
    Man, this is so frustrating!

    on the bright side, I know know a heck of a lot more abot routers, and IP addresses than I did before.


    Ok, so, here is my new router config based on what you (I think) said to do.





    That look about right?

    It still doesn't work, however.
    I have DynDNS up and running, when I log in to dyndns I see the IP address matches the one of my router.

    I am running EYE TV on a Mac Pro, connected via ethernet directly from the router, no firewall turned on the Mac.

    should "sharing" settings matter?

    Thanks for any more suggestions.

    To me the section "public IP address" is missing. in the above screenshot: did you activate the top left checkbox for the public address??

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    in the below screenshot the public address should be shown. its the address your provider assignes to your router
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