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    Arrow [Gen. Discussion]Can Dev Team protect from malicious?

    Ok, so i was talking to three of my friends that have iPhones (as well as me) and somehow the discussion of iPods and iPhones came up with the center being viruses.

    Ok, so some might think right now, viruses will never and don't affect iPhones/iPods. Well, let me break it down the harsh way, there are viruses already for iPods [normal iPods not the iTouch].

    Also, I want to refresh your memory with a little thing called 1.1.3 Prep. Yes, that was the first malicious code for iPhone, small and relatively [if you didn't have Erica's tools no problem] inoffensive, but nonetheless the first thing that was built with malicious software.

    Anywho, back to the original discussion. We all know out there there are anarchist trying to bring down anything that is mainstream [either through violence, viruses (human or software) and/or other attacks] and seeing as the iPhone is becoming popular. Will the iPhone community have to worry about attacks on our beloved device?

    If such attacks do happen and Apple acknowledges the attacks, will the Dev Team be able to somehow stop them? Remember, that these attacks may be nastier than our 1.1.3 Prep situation and that may take advantage of previously undiscovered bugs by the Dev Team (like Safari bugs or bugs through other things. Let's also recall the bug in Safari that was used to exploit the MacBook Air in the hacking contest making the Air the first laptop to fall to the onslaught.).

    I am willing and have always come to accept the fact that the all powerful and omnipotent Dev Team will always watch over the community as long as we provide them all the support [morally, financially, or any other way] possible. Also, I am sure that Apple will somehow swallow their pride and call the Dev Team to help if necessary. However, the Dev Team may be too small when the iPhone is attacked as much as Windows OS.

    I know, I know some of you might think this scenario might never be, and start calling me things. But I believe preparedness is always handy.

    Well, comments on the issue or your thoughts on what may happen?

    Edit - Well it has now started, the defense or our beloved device. TUAW reports that a McAfee aplication for the iPhone has been developed. Here is the inside scoop.
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    The iPhone is just as susceptible to malicious attacks as any device and I agree with the fact that its popularity makes it a big target.

    If there ever were an attack, I have confidence that the community would move quickly enough to quarantine the attacking code and its source, in the event that the attack was carried out through an installer package or something similar.

    If it was an exploit that could be used on unhacked phones as well, then Apple would undoubtedly be very quick in issuing a security update. If you recall the 1.1.1 days, when the tiff hole was unpatched, simply opening a webpage with a modded image could give someone full access to all your iphone's data. Ironically, hacking the phone through jailbreakme.com made it more secure as the community was much quicker in pushing out a patch which was automatically installed during the jailbreak.

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    yea that 1.1.3 prep was pretty bad, and to think the basterd was just a kid. Also like compkid might have said thanks to the size of the commuinty word would spread fast, just look how much word has spread over the catterpillar app or programs like ziphone. As far as Dev team protecting us yea i would hope that they would have our back but its also its on us as well to protect ours and our freinds iphones/ipod touchs.......
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    yeah, word would spread fast. and if it was something thru installer, you would have to add the source first, then install the app. lets hope nothing ever gets into community sources

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    If you really want to get paranoid, you can start thinking about how any one of the countless numbers of apps you have installed at this very moment could have a few lines of spyware code that have gone undetected. There is no protection of any kind for this type of thing on the iPhone, as 3rd party apps were never intended to be run (yet).

    EDIT: I'm not inferring that this is really happening, BTW, I don't currently believe that any apps are malicious.
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    just see how far they embed with thier launch deamons.........:hack:
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecompkid View Post
    If you really want to get paranoid, you can start thinking about how any one of the countless numbers of apps you have installed at this very moment could have a few lines of spyware code that have gone undetected. There is no protection of any kind for this type of thing on the iPhone, as 3rd party apps were never intended to be run (yet).
    Current apps (if they had any Spyware) would have gone bezerk by now because by now the app has been mass consumed. So I am not that scared on current apps, also the fact that they get updated gives security meaning the app is bettered and bugs are taken out to make the device more stable.

    Also, spyware codes tend to manifest themselves early on, so before I install something I always let 3 weeks pass so people can toy with them and see feedback on it. Then determine if to install it or not.

    So paranoid on current apps, nah......
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    Quote Originally Posted by jav6454 View Post
    Current apps (if they had any Spyware) would have gone bezerk by now because by now the app has been mass consumed. So I am not that scared on current apps, also the fact that they get updated gives security meaning the app is bettered and bugs are taken out to make the device more stable.

    Also, spyware codes tend to manifest themselves early on, so before I install something I always let 3 weeks pass so people can toy with them and see feedback on it. Then determine if to install it or not.

    So paranoid on current apps, nah......
    I'm not really talking about the mainstream apps though, I mean like the little apps coming out of people we've never heard of before, like the games/toys that are good for a few kicks then removed by a quick uninstall. I can't imagine it would be much for a corrupt developer to sneak in some code to steal, say, your notes db or contacts just to find personal info.

    Anyway, it's a far fetched idea at best, a real trojan horse. and i dont really think its gonna happen, just food for the paranoia

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecompkid View Post
    I'm not really talking about the mainstream apps though, I mean like the little apps coming out of people we've never heard of before, like the games/toys that are good for a few kicks then removed by a quick uninstall. I can't imagine it would be much for a corrupt developer to sneak in some code to steal, say, your notes db or contacts just to find personal info.

    Anyway, it's a far fetched idea at best, a real trojan horse. and i dont really think its gonna happen, just food for the paranoia
    hahaha, lol, I see what you mean, little small, unknown apps. Who would expect it

    Anywho, would the Dev Team be ready to counter these attacks if they got out of hand?
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    what do these people gain from doing this stuff?


 

 
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