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    If you're curious what "irreparable" in their language means, feel free to ask me. I can write up a post explaining what the heck actually makes a phone tick based off some phone hacking investigations myself. But I ain't going to spend the time if people arn't interested.
    I have a feeling what they mean is that by corrupting the firmware you will get the phone to a state whereby you will require direct access to the bootloader via a serial connection to put a clean firmware in. Effectively for most users this would be 'bricking' the iPhone as (if I read the early threads clearly), there was no easy way to do this.

    Keen to hear a better explanation though!

    Cheers, Chris W.


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    your phone will be a brick because it will have half of the new 1.1.1 modem firware flashed and half not then it won't let you manually flash the 1.02 firmware back, and the 1.1.1 modem firmware won't be avaliable untill the dev team crack the restore image. so you won't be able to flash the new firmware manually either

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    This is a pretty big issue actually, seeing as other cell phone manufacturers will not tell you that by unlocking the phone, you have voided your warranty. That is a very big step seeing as it is legal to unlock a cell phone and it is not legal for a company to sell a product without warranty as these products are not sold as-is.

    Main difference on most phones is that you dont modify the firmware in the same way as you do here, you just edit some preset settings, as Apple is (?) the first brand to ever sell a locked phone - only.

    But, what I keep asking myself is, what to do after your 18/24 months subscription plan is over - do they unlock the phones, or are you still stuck with AT&T?
    Then again, over here - in Norway, the operators lock the phones and you buy a contract with it (whoom you sign in-store).
    Then, if you want to unlock the phone and get rid of the contract you pay the operator 1500kr ($250) and they give you an unlock code, description and cancels the contract.

    Isnt there any similar thing in the US? That if you cancel they _have_ to unlock - in exchange of a small fee...?

    If not, I am disappointed and ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam View Post
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    Speaking of "damage" done to the firmware and unauthorized access to our own property (?), Apple now announced the next firmware update we may expect later this week will possibly break he handset of all of us free user in the world intentionally.
    ......
    The motivation in this planned masacre on user phones is questionable, as if we can prevent the handsets from breaking, why can't apple do this too?
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    as mutch as i appreciate the hard work that all of you from the dev team invested in unlocking the iphone i do not understand how you can possibly missunderstand apples statement in such a weird manner???? did you actually READ and THOUGHT for a minute what they actually meant???


    The removal of the lock bug was a major step forward in the iPhone development made the iPhone free and useful to anyone, not only to those in certain countries.
    "lock bug" ??? WTF??? come on! we all know what we are doin here, but not the dev team itself? i just cant believe it........

    well ok, its mentioned now so many times, hopefully somebody will get it now.

    i am sorry for the hard words, but REALLY, thats all bulls*** here. im out...
    Last edited by nehvada; 09-26-2007 at 03:05 PM.

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    Anyone who has hacked their phone and unlocked and is a competent hacker knows what he or she is getting into. We have no 'rights' for Apple to support our phones, we are using them in a non-standard and against-the-EULA fashion.

    I have no problem with that. I expect a future firmware update to potentially re-lock my phone, and since I'm in the UK and will not buy a new phone nor use O2 as my network provider, I will simply avoid locking my phone. I'm pretty happy with it as it is - and most functionality I really need will never be provided by Apple anyway, it will either be provided by the community who currently produce 3rd party apps or me (if I get off my lazy arse and get the toolchain working)...

    What I DO have a problem with is if Apple decide to be very aggressive and *require* the firmware upgrade in order to sync contacts / calendars / tunes etc. with iTunes. If Apple merely state that hacked phones are 'unsupported' but leave current functionality intact, then none of us have anything to argue about or bring class action lawsuits etc.

    However if Apple bring out a new iTunes at the same time or any other over-the-air update that prevents my current iPhone from being able to sync, then that basically ruins the functionality of my phone and would be pretty dirty behaviour.

    That's what I'm concerned about - not the 'cry lawsuit' crap from people who haven't read Apple's legal crap. Preventing the current unlocked phones from syncing with iTunes would fuck up anyone outside the USA from using their phone either as a PDA or a smartphone, and for markets that Apple won't sell into *ever* due to local legislation, would cause immensely negative PR. Let's hope they don't go this far, it would be utterly disastrous for their reputation amongst their fans...


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberface View Post
    Anyone who has hacked their phone and unlocked and is a competent hacker knows what he or she is getting into. We have no 'rights' for Apple to support our phones, we are using them in a non-standard and against-the-EULA fashion.
    That is an odd thing to say. Can you remember the iBook logic board issue or battery issue. What if there is a design defect that affects hacked as well as unhacked iPhones? Should I be denied service because of Apple's poor design decisions or poor quality control?

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    Nice Touche, Sam and Team!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazee View Post
    That is an odd thing to say. Can you remember the iBook logic board issue or battery issue. What if there is a design defect that affects hacked as well as unhacked iPhones? Should I be denied service because of Apple's poor design decisions or poor quality control?
    Entirely unrelated issues, IMO - I'm talking about Apple refusing to ensure that future firmware revisions work with unlocked / cracked phones - not anything to do with design faults on normally-used machines....

    I am getting at the very real difference between Apple saying 'we're not going to put any effort or work into making sure our new firmware works for you hackers, but try it anyway' and 'we are actively going to attempt to break your phone if you've hacked it by putting work into our new firmware to detect and brick your phone'.

    Completely unrelated, and the difference between standard warranty disclaimer for people hacking their machines (i.e. analogous to someone pulling their MacBook Pro rev A apart to change the thermal paste in an attempt to cure the heat problems, breaking it and asking Apple for a replacement), and Apple acting maliciously and deliberately to break previously-working equipment.

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    apple cant force you to do anything.

    1) its agianst the law for them to force you and every user to upgrade firmware

    2) if you do not update itunes or are not online you cant update.

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    Here ya go: http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?p=64773
    It's long like I said. I didn't even know we had a 10000 character post limit until it told me I went 2300 over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisw@thelastword.co.nz View Post
    I have a feeling what they mean is that by corrupting the firmware you will get the phone to a state whereby you will require direct access to the bootloader via a serial connection to put a clean firmware in. Effectively for most users this would be 'bricking' the iPhone as (if I read the early threads clearly), there was no easy way to do this.

    Keen to hear a better explanation though!

    Cheers, Chris W.


 

 
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