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    Default [Discussion]More rampant speculation about the 2.0 hack and how Apple will fight back

    Seems like DarkApples are still commited to proving that the 2.0 hack is not a safe one, their last update claims they will be able to prove it's possible for anyone to understand a phone is not legit (I suspect it will be just check for the warranty status from Apple's website that states whenever a phone is activated or not) and that Steve Jobs itself confirmed they will take measures probably referring to the confirmation of the "kill switch".
    If you know italian here's the link to the article http://www.darkapples.net/?p=59#more-59

    The following is a summary (as in not my personal opinion) of what is been said (for those who don't speak italian):
    • It is impossible to actually crack the new software, so instead the DevTeam uses a custom firmware to "skip" the checks, but they don't tell you that Apple may legally pursue you for having a custom firmware (this was specifically discussed in a previous article).
    • It is possible for Apple (or anyone in fact) to tell a iPhone has been Pwned, and Pumpkin is wrong on this
    • Jobs' words could be enough to confirm they are right
    • The PwnageTool has the side effect of allowing warez, but the AppStore bills applications found that are not purchased by your account and if it can't bill them it deletes them.
    • They say they've studied the iPhone firmware and iTunes and they were aware of all this because of their research, they also think it's impossible for the DevTeam not to be aware of this, but they simply denied or hid it from the general public
    • A missing iPhone in Apple's Activation Database is enough to presume this iPhone was not legally activated so Apple could take counter measures
    • The DevTeam said Apple couldn't do anything to a Pwned phone, but Apple is actually able to do so by billing "warez" apps
    • Apple is actually studying the "iPhone population" and knows which iPhones are legit and which are not, and adding the fact that Apple can interact with iPhones remotely it will be possible for them to fight back

    What do you guys think about this? Personally I have two problems with this theory; the first one is that checking for the iPhone's presence in the activation database could have been possible from the very beginning, the second one is that jobs confirmed the ability Apple has to disable an application which has been blacklisted (for example, if a app is later discovered to send personal data or the developer has decided to pull Apple could disable it remotely not to allow people to still run a app), being this blacklist AFAIK common to everyone I don't think it's related to "counterpwnage" at all.
    Last edited by iDarbert; 08-16-2008 at 05:05 PM. Reason: Added a summary of the article



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    for me: bullsh!T.... enough said.
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    There's a lot that can be done, but fact is there's only so much a company can do without having it affect them negatively in the eye of the public. Yes a jailbreak allows for warez and for alternative, competing apps. Yes there's a lot they can do, but there is a line between what will and will not be accepted. Billing people without consent will exceed the line regardless of how a user agreement is worded and would amount to a lot of backlash and charebacks via credit card and possibily a negative view of iTunes store and could have knock on effects that would negatively affect iTunes and Apple's image.

    Thus their best response is closing holes and offering a fantastic product to where people want Apps and not cracked or alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimnickyy View Post
    There's a lot that can be done, but fact is there's only so much a company can do without having it affect them negatively in the eye of the public. Yes a jailbreak allows for warez and for alternative, competing apps. Yes there's a lot they can do, but there is a line between what will and will not be accepted. Billing people without consent will exceed the line regardless of how a user agreement is worded and would amount to a lot of backlash and charebacks via credit card and possibily a negative view of iTunes store and could have knock on effects that would negatively affect iTunes and Apple's image.

    Thus their best response is closing holes and offering a fantastic product to where people want Apps and not cracked or alternatives.
    Exactly, they could do a lot and they could have done a lot in the past.

    Besides, it's the first time I've heard about this "forced billing", why hasn't it made it to the major headline already?

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    I think Apple will do just enough to proove aT&T and co that they do something against it.

    But Apple is a company. A company is driven by revenue. And most of the hacked phones would not have been sold without that.
    And this would counteract to the very basics principles of business.


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    Steve and his worshippers are lot busy counting the $$$ which they make on iPhones & Macs & iTunesStore.

    Block App ? Dont make me laugh.
    Of course theres a way to avoid this and im sure that one hacker will do that.

    Im working/hobbing with computer since 198"x"
    20 years later no one have found a method to "stop" the piracy/hacking/cracking/phising on personal computers.
    Steve is worried about design and other stuff...

    Im not worried with this news..sorry..

    ps: Even if Apple can contact you via one way with Firmware...even with iTunes...
    Of course will be a method to use a Apple-Free Firmware , will be a method to sync and others stuff without iTunes..
    The Dev team like to do a "clean job". But of course they can a do "dirty job" to pass by this methods..
    Of couse like any other product of Apple...they like you to "chain" the things... iPhone+iTunes+MacOsForiPhone...
    But we can unchain this using only the hardware..together with the "PiuOs+PiuTunes"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piu View Post
    Steve and his worshippers are lot busy counting the $$$ which they make on iPhones & Macs & iTunesStore.

    Block App ? Dont make me laugh.
    Of course theres a way to avoid this and im sure that one hacker will do that.

    Im working/hobbing with computer since 198"x"
    20 years later no one have found a method to "stop" the piracy/hacking/cracking/phising on personal computers.
    Steve is worried about design and other stuff...

    Im not worried with this news..sorry..
    You almost speak like I was expecting you to be worried by this news

    But we can unchain this using only the hardware..together with the "PiuOs+PiuTunes"
    Yeah but honestly, if we chose the iPhone it's mainly because of the software, if we have to run our software every other phone will basically fine and from this point Android Phones look more interesting.
    I'd rather use a altered iPhoneOS rather than some iPhoneLinux or whatever; I like the iPhone as a platform, swapping the OS will simply destroy what the iPhone really is in my opinion.

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    legal action are you kidding me apple doesnt make their money from ATT they make it from selling iphones they dont care whether or not you unlock it they just want your money
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbby228 View Post
    legal action are you kidding me apple doesnt make their money from ATT they make it from selling iphones they dont care whether or not you unlock it they just want your money
    DarkApples' point is that: unlocking is legal, altering Apple's firmware is not.
    Though honestly I fail at imaging Apple taking legal actions toward each and every one of us.

 

 

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