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    I am as P$$$$ed as anyone that my iPhone currently won't upgrade. Apple did however warn me that 1.1.1 may be hazardous to Jailbroken / SIM unlocked phones. They aren't forcing me to upgrade and haven't stopped my iPhone from working. Around 1995 in the UK, Vodafone and Cellnet (now O2) upgraded their network which rendered all cellular non-GSM phones redundant. The UK government is going to turn off analogue TV rendering analogue TV's fit for only the scrap heap. We might not like what Apple has done, but life is sometimes like that, get over it and focus on a solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbird View Post
    myndex, I understand your frustration and desire to seek restitution. However, I think that you and others are beating a dead horse with a stick. A simple look at the terms and condition that were delivered with your iPhone will hopefully clarify this point for you. A Class Action law suit implies that you suffered damages as the result of something negative that resulted from the proper usage of a product and that according to the terms of conditions of the iPhone, "hacking" is not a proper use. In the eyes of the law, if anyone is wrong, it's you, me and others that have willingly and knowingly modified the iPhone despite Apple's warning not to.
    You actually have no clue about the law. Apple provides a hardware warranty which covers defects in workmanship and materials. If a phone screen goes bad, the installation of 3rd party software is irrelevant. Legally apple is required to repair or replace hardware defects as long as they do not result from user implied physical damage to the phone.

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    People shouldn't bend over and take that corporate crap. If Apple's target market is morons, eventually only morons will buy it. Until then, smart people buy Apple stuff. If Apple doesn't like it... smart people can sue, bitch.

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    Default How things are done in the UK is not how they are done in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by spqr_en View Post
    Around 1995 in the UK, Vodafone and Cellnet (now O2) upgraded their network which rendered all cellular non-GSM phones redundant. The UK government is going to turn off analogue TV rendering analogue TV's fit for only the scrap heap. We might not like what Apple has done, but life is sometimes like that, get over it and focus on a solution.

    Yea, that's how things are in the UK - when they went from B&W tv to color in the late 50s, they changed the system making all the old style B&W tvs obsolete - everyone had to buy a new TV.

    That's NOT how things are in the US. The US's FCC generally does not allow that kind of thing. The US congress did pass a law where in over the air analog broadcasts would cease completely on February 17th, 2009, meaning that analog TVs will not be able to receive over the air broadcasts without a set-top adapter box.

    The US Government is making available coupons for the purchase of set top converter boxes to allow consumers that want one to get a converter box. The coupons are being issued to US households on request by NITA, a division of the Department of Commerce.

    That's how things are handled in the United States.



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    spqr_en doesnt know what he is talking about.

    Firstly the TV's will still work. You just need a set top box, sky, freeview etc... Or DVD player or console etc...

    Second to that the Government is also helping people, who qualify, for help. They wont come round and upgrade your 42" Plasma but they will help the old and the poor. To the tune of £603 million / $1200 million. Under the Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Act.

    http://www.digitaltelevision.gov.uk/

    http://www.digitaltelevision.gov.uk/...e/hs_home.html

    All eligible households will be entitled to a choice of options for getting their digital TV services, depending on what platforms are regionally available.

    Help will include providing the necessary equipment to convert one television set. The equipment will be designed with the user’s needs in mind. If necessary, the Scheme will also help with installation and use of equipment, and provide an aerial replacement.

    Households will be able to choose:

    A terrestrial digital box provided by the scheme and, if required, help to install and use it
    A digital television recorder or an integrated digital TV for an extra cost
    A free satellite service for an extra cost
    Some money off a subscription service, such as Sky, Virgin Media or BT Vision
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmatt View Post
    is also helping people, who qualify, for help. they wont come round and upgrade your 42" Plasma but they will help the old and the poor. To the tune of £603 / $1200 million. Under the Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Act.

    Fancy that - and you blokes still make the best ale too!




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    Also I would just like to add, while not trying to take the thread off topic.

    The TV change over to digital is not at all like Apple locking down the iPhone. The TV makers arnt upgrading the firmware on your TV to stop you getting all the channels, or stopping you plug in dvd players.

    The digital switch over is nessessary.

    1. Analogue cant cope with HiDef and the range of channels
    2. From mobile phones, dvd (HD/Blueray), XBox 360, PS3, Apple TV all require digital these days.

    This isnt the government causing problems its the future of technology. Its needed, wanted and a necessity. It forces the consumers to consider what they buy, ie digital equiped Tv's etc..., HiDef, all which helps drives down the price.

    Its not like you didnt have a warning. And by the time the switch it thrown consider the following.

    Most if not all TV's sold will be digital - LCD or Plasma

    Consoles will be digital and HiDef

    DVD's will be replaced by HD or Blueray

    Mobile phones will all be digital, 3G, Edge or whatever

    Internet will be broadband, 20mbs+ at least

    Everything digital, everything working together

    Your iPhone wouldnt work nearly as well if it wasnt a digital gsm phone and was stuck on an old analogue network. No internet, bad call quality, ability to evesdrop with simple radio to name but a few.

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    Default Class actions

    There seems to be a confusion in the minds of some people between frivolous lawsuits and class actions. These are two different things, and the fact that a lawsuit is brought requesting class action status does not make it frivolous.

    In fact, there are very good reasons for the existence of class actions. The California Supreme Court discussed them again in a recent decision. The second sentence is particularly important:

    “ ‘Frequently numerous consumers are
    exposed to the same dubious practice by the same seller so that proof of the
    prevalence of the practice as to one consumer would provide proof for all.

    Individual actions by each of the defrauded consumers is often impracticable
    because the amount of individual recovery would be insufficient to justify
    bringing a separate action; thus an unscrupulous seller retains the benefits of its
    wrongful conduct.

    A class action by consumers produces several salutary byproducts,
    including a therapeutic effect upon those sellers who indulge in
    fraudulent practices, aid to legitimate business enterprises by curtailing
    illegitimate competition, and avoidance to the judicial process of the burden of
    multiple litigation involving identical claims.

    The benefit to the parties and the
    courts would, in many circumstances, be substantial.’ ”

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    Default Law Office of M. Van Smith and Damian R. Fernandez

    https://www.appleiphonelawsuit.com/

    just some FYI, i'm not spamming for them or anything. saw it on inquirer.net

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    This is so dumb.... Class action lawsuited were developed by "LAWYERS" to make alot of money. Thats it. Nothing else. The average payout percentage on a class action lawsuit is 56% to the law office, and 44 percent to all individuals represented by said class action lawsuit. It is not in your best interest to be involved in one. Sue Apple yourself.


 

 
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