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    my my aren't you a clever boy......f**king troll. I was pointing out the inherent uselessness of this endevour, but you just seem to be a twat
    How old are you? Is this really necessary? I have not heard any good logical arguments to counter mine.

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    Not a good logical argument

    neither is this:

    I was pointing out the inherent uselessness of this endevour, but you just seem to be a twat
    I could flame back at you, but why should I?

    Last time I checked this was a discussion forum. In a typical discussion forum you listen to other people's ideas and try to present your own.

    I could have retyped and reworded what I already wrote, but I decided to use that useful little feature of the web called a hyperlink.
    Last edited by rp123; 10-01-2007 at 05:29 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scoundrel_ae View Post
    This could be someone from Apple Inc. posing to be on our side and wants us to give them our email addresses and etc... So, they can keep track of all the people who have modified their iPhones in the 3 methods mentioned above.

    It seems that Apple Inc. and Mr. Jobs are modern day "NAZIS"
    I guarantee you that I have no connection with Apple whatsoever.


    I was hoping to add respondents to add the classes TWO and THREE (I am already class ONE) - essentially we need one respondent per class at a minimum, to represent the class to get started.

    I am *certain* that I have a case, unless the Apple Store reverses itself suddenly prior to filing.

    However, I also believe that there are valid claims for classes two and three.

    I am actually, quite surprised at the animosity; a major computer manufacture goes around for the better part of a year promoting an OS X computing device, claiming that it is more computer than phone, then clamps down on it, locking users out of using their own property to the fullest extent possible.

    This is a fully valid basis for a lawsuit, such as the hundreds of similar suits files against Microsoft.

    There is an implied warranty when you buy something, and that is that it will perform certain expected things. A reasonable person can expect that a product sold as a computing platform will be able to perform certain things, including but not limited to executing programs of the user's choosing. One might also find that a computer company that sells a device, then intentionally releases "updates" to cripple or delete a user's media, or moreover intentionally cause damage to a users personal property, be found culpable for more than warranty issues.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rp123 View Post
    How old are you? Is this really necessary? I have not heard any good logical arguments to counter mine.

    Not a good logical argument

    neither is this:



    I could flame back at you, but why should I?

    Last time I checked this was a discussion forum. In a typical discussion forum you listen to other people's ideas and try to present your own.

    I could have retyped and reworded what I already wrote, but I decided to use that useful little feature of the web called a hyperlink.
    I wasnt talking to you dumbass, it was directed at yoitsreptar and his comments on #38, why assume im attacking you. Read the posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbrown View Post
    While I admit I'm not a lawyer, at least I won't be one until 2010. Did you even bother reading the Act or Apple's LIMITED warranty?

    The Act defines full warranties and the minimum standards that a full warranty must meet. If the warranty does not meet those minimum standards, then it must "conspicously" be designated as a "limited warranty".

    The Act designates that companies should do certain things under a full warranty, including remedying the problem within a reasonable time, and fixing broken components (and if a fix is not available, replacing the broken component at no charge). These obligations are waived (or as the Act puts it, "the minimum standards for a full warranty are waived...") if the company can prove that the damage was caused while it was in the owner's possession or they failed to exercise reasonable care.

    But the fact of the matter is, the iPhone's warranty is designated as a LIMITED warranty because it does not meet the federal standards for a FULL warranty. Therefore, the Act does not apply in this regard.

    Of course, if it can be proven that Apple intentionally disabled modified iPhones, a remedy can be found in tort law. Additionally, warranty laws vary from state to state, so some of us may be in better shape than others. Finally, those of you outside of the U.S., the iPhone's warranty is not valid outside of the 50 states, and the District of Columbia, so you are SOL.


    This is all correct, but the limited Apple warranty is also clear that it does not cover "damage caused by" certain third party products - but that does not dismiss them from covering damage or failures NOT caused by third party products - the mere use of third party products does not (legally) revoke the entire warranty.

    Also, "implied" warranties in various states extend the Apple warranty in various ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by izim1 View Post
    fishbert your still not getting it are you? let me see if i can simplify this more for you: IM NOT TALKING ABOUT A THE FRIGGING WARRANTY !!!!!!!! AT ALL!!!! im referring to "997tt" frequent posts that apple shouldnt be allowed to "freely sell" the iphones on their retail stores and that it should somehow be illegal because some people dont have enough sense to know that you cant use the phone on other networks!! THATS WHAT MY "APPLE HAS MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT AT&T" POST WAS ABOUT!
    geeeeeeez. i try not to loose my cool but dang it! it's ridiculous sometimes. how many times do i have to repeat that i know for a fact apple cant void the damn warranty?
    and as for the intention, no dude, you cant prove that he maliciously bricked iphones. especially not when A) he can show that the anysim apps themselves "bricked"plenty of phones on their own. which apple lawyers will say proves that the hacks were unstable to begin with and ,more importantly, B) you have the quotes all over the papers of apple advising and warning about NOT UPGRADING YOUR DAMN THING IF YOUVE HACKED IT!. "yes your honor he gave no warning...."
    izim1, in all seriousnes, i know it's gonna look like im picking on you but i'm really not. My, you're a bit testy today... and your reading comprehension is beginning to suffer.

    If I'm not the one getting it, if I'm not the one listening, then please enlighten me and point to where in the post you quoted in this emotional response I mentioned anything at all about warranties. Or, better yet, point to any post of mine in this entire thread where I talk about warranties. You're trying to jump on me for something I never even brought up.

    Now, please calm down, because it's a bit difficult for me to try and have a rational discussion with a crazy person.

    Oh, and you might actually take the time to read what a post is about before flying off the handle next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbert View Post
    izim1, in all seriousnes, i know it's gonna look like im picking on you but i'm really not. My, you're a bit testy today... and your reading comprehension is beginning to suffer.

    If I'm not the one getting it, if I'm not the one listening, then please enlighten me and point to where in the post you quoted in this emotional response I mentioned anything at all about warranties. Or, better yet, point to any post of mine in this entire thread where I talk about warranties. You're trying to jump on me for something I never even brought up.

    Now, please calm down, because it's a bit difficult for me to try and have a rational discussion with a crazy person.

    Oh, and you might actually take the time to read what a post is about before flying off the handle next time.
    ok fishbert. just to be fair. explain it to me please. what does "apple has to fix your phone an cant just kill it" have to do with me saying that they CAN "freely"sell them at their stores

    i was talking about apple's right to sell the phones on their website and retail stores. nothing else

    your talking about just because they say something it doesnt give them the right to kill it. or not fix it.......


    i dunno man. english is a secong language to me so you might be right its an english comprehension problem for me BUT it does look like we were talking about 2 different things when you decided to quote me and tell me im not listlening or getting it AND it does sound an awfull lot like your referring to warranty and how apple has to fix things, while i wasnt........ i mean if by telling me apple has to fix it and that they cant just break it and you have rights, your try trying to tell me that i'm wrong, that apple DOESnT have the right to sell the iphones at their store an online(since that would be the only reasonable arguement against my post), then your right. i'm just not getting it.but please feel free to explain your posts to me............

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    The only reason I wouldn't be opposed to a class action lawsuit is because Apple is alienating those customers that made Apple who they are. When Apple was down and we were paying 3x and more for a computer to support the best computers in the world. Now they're biting the hand that fed them. Why would you shut out your best and most loyal customers who are unlocking to use the phone in a country that the phone is unavailable in now. I'm just angry with a company that I have supported for YEARS!
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    I am no lawyer nor do I have any legal expertise. On technical and moral grounds, however, I would strongly support a lawsuit against Apple, for two reasons:
    1) Apple damaged the phones with its new firmware despite the perfect working condition of phones even with 3rd party apps installed and unlocked state.
    2) Apple gets into this dual with 3rd party app developers (aka hackers) and because it could not inflict any harm on to these people, attacks the consumers by bricking their phones. Because Apple cannot directly deal with those developers, it attacks the people who use the services of those developers. What kind of a recourse is it for Apple? Cheap tricks.

    I am all for supporting a dang lawsuit. It does not matter how much I would gain in the end... Apple would loose any - monetary wise or customers wise

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    This is interesting. I did a quick google search and came up with the US law's regarding consumer product warranty's below is the link:

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...2----000-.html

    While a lawsuit may not prevail in the very least apple would need to respond to it and it would put some pressure on them to change thier ways in how they deal with customers, thier products and technology. It would also probably put some media coverage on the whole issue and give us a spotlight and podium to stand on.

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    myndex

    did you install any s/w on the iPhone itself ? if not, how can they claim warranty invalidation for a HARDWARE problem ?

    someone in UK had a similar problem with PC World after he installed Linux on a laptop purchased from there and tried to go back for a repair due to a faulty hinge. The store people turned him away claiming " installing linux invalidates your warranty "

    what most people don't realise is that companies and corporates can get away with murder UNLESS challenged in law. that's why car engine manufacturers cannot force their clients to use specific brands of fuel. or network providers cannot take action against you for unlocking the phone. or microsoft cannot force people to pretty much do only what they want you to do.

    if this was Microsoft instead of Apple doing things like this, people would be all over them by now. so public opinion counts.

    but be as it may, IMHO you do have a strong case for CATEGORY ONE ( don't know about the other categories )


 

 
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