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Discuss Class Action Lawsuit Respondents Needed at the General - Hackint0sh.org; Originally Posted by fishbert It would've been very easy (listening to those who wrote the ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbert View Post
    It would've been very easy (listening to those who wrote the 3rd party sw and unlocks) for Apple to craft the update such that those with unlocked phones had perfectly functioning, re-locked phones when they came out on the other side.
    are you seriously saying apple shoulda done their work "around" what a few boneheads did to their phones after they told said boneheads to NOT do to their phones? gone outta their way to make sure that those who didnt wanna play by their rules got their way? look man i agree apple has to warranty it if your mod didnt kill it, but everything else, the way you guys are trying to rationalize it, is just luducrous. crazy to say the least. if your so damn smart "oh look at me look at me i have 3rd party apps on my phone even though you told me not to. it's just software. software cant break hardware so you have to warranty my iphone for screen probles, yada yada yada" then you go ahead and fix your own damn thing. i agree with what someone else just posted here about how they should fix the bricked iphones for an extra fee. fair is fair after all.....


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    Speaking as a Canadian who got an iPhone as a gift from well meaning friends who weren't aware of the golden Apple rule (Never be an early adopter), and subsequently had a Dead Strip appear on it 2 months after the fact, THEN a week later Apple laid on the "If you load it we turn our backs on you" full throttle, I say:

    Sign me up.

    Apple didn't ask my friends where they were from when they pulled out the Canadian credit card to pay for the phone.

    Yes. I hacked the phone to work in Canada. Mea Culpa.

    The Dead Strip clearly is a hardware problem that was within the phone well before I even powered it up. Google "iphone dead strip" and you will find a few news reports regarding the Finnish hardware company that developed the screen. Tomorrow, my friend in an American city somewhere is going to walk into an Apple store and pretend to be me. Despite having the phone hacked, he is going to try to have it replaced. I'm not putting a lot of faith into that avenue if they decide to try to repair it and then update it to 1.1.1 It's a gamble to try to salvage over $800CAD of mine and my friend's money.

    To be told that they will not support the damn thing after the hack and to turn me away is pure malarky. They could charge me to repair it, if I choose to pay for the outrageous $300CAD to repair it "out of warranty", but they choose just to turn me away.

    That's not business. That's vindictive bitter behaviour, if you ask me.
    Can I sync my iPhone to my Newton?

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    @izim1 My long lost bro??

    ]So, if your wife says, "I'm going to cut your penis off if you leave the toilet seat up anymore," you only have yourself to blame for her actions next Thursday?

    In addition, a lot of people already had played with their phones before Apple issued any kind of warnings. And, I'm sure that more than a few who had intended not to update hit the 'ok' button out of habit, or because they weren't thinking one morning, or maybe their roommate did it, etc.

    It would've been very easy (listening to those who wrote the 3rd party sw and unlocks) for Apple to craft the update such that those with unlocked phones had perfectly functioning, re-locked phones when they came out on the other side.
    It is about taking responsibility for our own action. U can't blame apple for everything. Even if you accidentally hit that update firmware button, you have plenty of time to unplug your iphone from the dock as itunes is downloading the f/w! Especially if u hang around this forum, u know *not* to update unless u want to.

    As for warranty issue, I do believe that Apple should honor warranty on iphones that have hardware defects not related to third party apps and misuse.

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    If it's hardware defects that were not caused by the 3rd party apps, then by law in the US Apple is responsible.

    They have to prove the 3rd party apps were the cause of the damage or they are SOL. Look it up.

    Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act


    Do not get me wrong here the "bricking" or "baseband problem" is not the fault of Apple but if the screen is defective or sound or anything else, they are bound by law to fix it, even if the 3rd party apps were used, as long as Apple cannot prove the apps caused it.

    I recommend to anyone with defective hardware and used 3rd party apps to contact the Federal Trade Commission at:

    http://www.ftc.gov/

    I would get the phone number at the website and call, also send email and a registered letter of the complaint.

    When they get enough of them Apple will have to change there "itune".
    Last edited by viper; 10-01-2007 at 04:02 AM.

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    You know it's worth pointing out which there are a lot of people "unhappy" with apple at the moment, the truth is:

    1) you CAN unlock your phone by any means you wish, as long as you do it yourself, this is the recent modification to the DMCA (non USA residents may vary).

    2) The DMCA most certainly IS in effect for cracking the "rom" and adding 3rd party apps now that 1.1.1 is completely encrypted. This changes things GREATLY. It is now illegal to break this encryption for any reason since it protects apple's intellectual property (Again, non USA residents may vary).

    Sorry, but that's the facts, I personally would recommend sticking with 1.0.2 or ditching the iPhone.


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    I made similar arguments here:

    http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8979

    I also explained how from the perspective of a programmer it looks very suspicous.

    A Class Action will not help iPhone owners much. It may force Apple to make some changes, but you will likely not get much more than five or ten itunes downloads.

    The only people who stand to make money out of Class Actions are the blood thirsty law firms that take them on. They take millions in fees and divide what's left over among the class (iphone brick holders).

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    talk about pissing into the wind......

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    yurr and id-e-awt!


    But seriously, stfu....

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoitsreptar View Post
    yurr and id-e-awt!


    But seriously, stfu....
    my my aren't you a clever boy......f**king troll. I was pointing out the inherent uselessness of this endevour, but you just seem to be a twat

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    Quote Originally Posted by viper View Post
    If it's hardware defects that were not caused by the 3rd party apps, then by law in the US Apple is responsible.

    They have to prove the 3rd party apps were the cause of the damage or they are SOL. Look it up.

    Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act


    Do not get me wrong here the "bricking" or "baseband problem" is not the fault of Apple but if the screen is defective or sound or anything else, they are bound by law to fix it, even if the 3rd party apps were used, as long as Apple cannot prove the apps caused it.

    I recommend to anyone with defective hardware and used 3rd party apps to contact the Federal Trade Commission at:

    http://www.ftc.gov/

    I would get the phone number at the website and call, also send email and a registered letter of the complaint.

    When they get enough of them Apple will have to change there "itune".
    While I admit I'm not a lawyer, at least I won't be one until 2010. Did you even bother reading the Act or Apple's LIMITED warranty?

    The Act defines full warranties and the minimum standards that a full warranty must meet. If the warranty does not meet those minimum standards, then it must "conspicously" be designated as a "limited warranty".

    The Act designates that companies should do certain things under a full warranty, including remedying the problem within a reasonable time, and fixing broken components (and if a fix is not available, replacing the broken component at no charge). These obligations are waived (or as the Act puts it, "the minimum standards for a full warranty are waived...") if the company can prove that the damage was caused while it was in the owner's possession or they failed to exercise reasonable care.

    But the fact of the matter is, the iPhone's warranty is designated as a LIMITED warranty because it does not meet the federal standards for a FULL warranty. Therefore, the Act does not apply in this regard.

    Of course, if it can be proven that Apple intentionally disabled modified iPhones, a remedy can be found in tort law. Additionally, warranty laws vary from state to state, so some of us may be in better shape than others. Finally, those of you outside of the U.S., the iPhone's warranty is not valid outside of the 50 states, and the District of Columbia, so you are SOL.
    Last edited by mrbrown; 10-01-2007 at 05:05 AM. Reason: added tort law, state law, warranty exception


 

 
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