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    well.. perhaps some app ahould not for *any* that could damage their iphone
    we know that unlock process is quite easy, but EVER exists a risk to damage it (battery discharged, some sw issue..)


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    Quote Originally Posted by tramuyo View Post
    we know that unlock process is quite easy, but EVER exists a risk to damage it (battery discharged, some sw issue..)
    There is no way to damage your phone with the sw unlock, you can just mess it up and have to restore in a "funny" process, but that happens if someone plays around with the wrong toys too much. It's life.

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    this truly suck balls!

    I think we should let Nullriver know by all sending them emails showing our objection to this bitchy unfair treatment

    support@nullriver.com

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    Hi. I'm Ste, from Ste Packaging. Perhaps you've heard of me. I run one of the two repositories found in Installer.app's Community Sources package.

    I personally have great issues with the fact that Nullriver feels they can control what I put in the repository I maintain. If they don't agree with it, I'm not allowed to host it, or I must remove it if they discover I am already hosting a package they don't approve of.

    They made Conceited Software's repo remove a pkg that would have allowed Installer.app users to access pkgs made in the PXL format, because that was a competing packaging product.

    Now they are refusing to let us host anySIM, because they fear making Apple angry at them. Frankly, the only reason they would care about that, is if they are hoping to have Installer.app or perhaps all of Nullriver, purchased by Apple.

    I don't work for Nullriver, so I could give a flying fuck what their motives are. It's not illegal to host the pkg and Nullriver said so to me. Therefore, if I want to host it, I should be able to, in my view.

    Nullriver says there must be rules that have to be followed in order to be listed in the Community Sources pkg. I agree. There should be basic rules on how a repo is set up, how it is run, metrics for how one becomes trusted enough to be listed, and so on. This will provide the users with warm fuzzies about the pkgs they get and where they get them from. That's important. Security and trust are important.

    However, I seriously disagree that Nullriver should have ANY say in what ANY repo - other than their own - should host, REGARDLESS of whether that repo is in Community Sources or not.

    I encourage everyone who agrees with me on this to make their opinion heard. You can email them at iphone@nullriver.com and you can speak to "lupinglade" in IRC in the #installer.app channel on Undernet. Please also add your comments here, as a little birdie tells me that if there are enough comments it might find its way to Slashdot and other places.

    -ste
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    I forgot to add something.

    When Nullriver made Conceited Software remove the PXL pkg, I privately threatened to move my repo out of Community Sources and make it a standalone repo.

    I was informed that they (Nullriver) would simply then pkg up all the same apps that I hosted, and host them themselves, so that users could still access them from a Community Sources repo.

    That would have rendered my repo useless, so I chose to submit.

    -ste


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    I am surprised there has bene very little response to this.

    I would have thought all those looking for an easy solution to get this app on their phone would be up in arms and emailing nullriver to get a reversal of this policy.

    It seems people just dont want to help themselves

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    another option is to just have a 2nd ainstaller app that is run as sterickson said. Basic rules for trust metrics, etc, but no decisions no one deciding that an app cannot be hosted.

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    I'm for the idea of making a new installer.app if it gets away from nullriver and their apparent domineering style of control over shit that isn't even theirs to begin with. At the very least, it would be safe to assume that STE Packaging would be in on it and ANYsim would available, which I think is the most attractive at this early stage.

    Strike while the iron is hot I say, get people hooked to a second installer.app with ANYsim loaded and not as strict controls over repositories and their apps they choose to host.

    (Plus a GUI remake wouldn't be the worst considering the lists in installer.app are approaching unbarably long and useless just to find out what is new each day

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    Nullriver is currently working on re-writing Installer.app. One of the changes will be ways to hide items you don't want to see and better grouping of visible items, on different pages, most likely, so that the increasing number of apps can be managed.

    Also, the guts are being ripped out of Installer.app and made into the new, open source core, that the NEW Installer.app, Breezy and iBrickr will talk to, to manage pkgs on the iPhone. There will be new ways of getting things into the repositories. These are all great things. I don't really want to see a second Installer.app - what I would just like is for them to simply quit telling me what I can/cannot host.

    They like to tell me "well, you volunteered to be a repo, so you have to follow our rules." Well, that's not exactly true. I said I wanted to run a repo and they welcomed the idea and then as I started it going they said "we'll add you to our Community Sources" list of trusted repos. I said ok, because I thought that meant I had done a good enough job to earn a 'seal of approval" of sorts. It was only later that I found out it means that Nullriver gets to dictate what I can/cannot host and what categories I can/cannot have, and what kind of notices I can/cannot put up during pkg installs/upgrades ...

    It's not their repo. They simply shouldn't have the right to tell me what to do in mine, beyond a simple few ground rules for consistency and security's sake. And threatening to make my repo useless if I go out of Community Sources was a particulary nasty way of keeping me under their thumb.

    -ste

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    eitherway, I wouldn't mind being away from Nullriver, their heart is just not in the community, It was clear from the outset that there was plans to profit and strictly control the application. Which is all well and good, but when you're that controlling before there is even potential to be bought out or otherwise, it's speaks very negatively about it all...

    As I believe Sam bought up before, Apple won't think any less of Nullriver or any Repo for hosting ANYsim, when not only are there convincing arguments to be made in favor of profitability and Apple for unlocking, but moreover that the very fact that Installer.app is using hacks and work arounds that Apple never intended to happen (maybe moreso than an unlock), you're already going to be on the bottom of their favorite people list


 

 
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