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Discuss According to apple store employee, 1.1.1 unlocks will be bricked in 3 months!?! at the General - Hackint0sh.org; Originally Posted by zarell thanks for the responses guys. I have NO idea, she just ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarell View Post
    thanks for the responses guys.

    I have NO idea, she just said 3 months, the other CS guy earlier didn't mention a time frame.

    Like I said, i bought the phone anyhow and plan to unlock it whenever it comes out...but i just thought it was strange.

    I'm in south florida, we have 3 apple stores.

    the 2 employees that said this were at different stores, so true or not, its coming down from higher up than just them.
    It would be cool if you got her name. Then we could have someone call that store. Maybe that person would even act like they are working for the attorney hitting Apple with the class action lawsuit. "Is it true, Ms. Passive Aggressive Dipshit, that you have been telling customers unlocked iPhones will cease working in three months?" "No, then why does the recording I have been sent sound like you did?" "May I have your home address if that would be more convenient for the summons?"




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    Quote Originally Posted by zarell View Post
    I just got back from the apple store where i purchased a new iphone in anticipation of the new unlock coming from the dev team.

    anyhow, as usual the sales person says "are you using it in the US, not going to unlock it, etc"

    of course i say yes

    she then goes onto say that if you unlock it, it won't be functional in 3 months.

    I replied, oh, there is a new update coming then?

    she replies, No, its made to do that, the phone is not meant to be unlocked so once you do, it activates something inside then over the course of 3 months your phone will no longer work...

    i purchased the phone anyways.

    is this even possible?

    Unfortunately...this isnt' the first time i've heard it from an apple CS person, the first time, the guy was a complete idiot so I took it with a grain of salt.

    Has anyone else heard this?
    Sounds very stupid of apple employees to say this. Why 3 months, if its true they should do it the next day or instantly who knows. If apple is smart enought they would have avoided a unlocking solution in the first place and second, they would do it instantly or 1 day at most, why wait 3 months... at least you got your iphone anyways, and in a couple of days you will be talking thru it..

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    To be honest, I think this is complete rubbish.
    They can't easily send out software to "brick" (let's say alter for now) our phones since most of those of us that are a bit wise tend to watch the software we're applying to our phones very very carefully. Double that for those of us that have unlocked.
    OTA alteration of software would be nigh on impossible for apple, since the unlocked phones are on multiple networks and on multiple continents in multiple countries. Can't even fathom how difficult it would be for even as large a company as Apple to negotiate with every single carrier out there to send out software to deny network access to unlocked iPhones. Vodafone UK (and therefore probably most countries' vodafone networks) reportedly already dislike Apple for trying to impose so many sanctions when they were negotiating contracts. How many other carriers out there are in the same position?
    Guess we'll find out for definite in 3 months though Til then I'm happy chattering away!

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    i believe you, i know what these kind of people are like, ignore that guy There are alot of overly aggressive people on this site that really do need removing

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    This is awsome. I cant wait for the "Timebomb" to go off... oh wait... it's the inside schedule for 1.2 fw release... so you will have to upgrade your fw for this to happen...and leave it to some retards to upgrade too.


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    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Those Apple guys make me laught every day

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    The girl probably works for AT&T and out of desperation they are scaring people who unlock because they are losing clients LOL

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    Apple are taking all this incredibly seriously. I noticed today in the Sheffield (UK) Apple store a notice on the main desk warning customers about unlocking iPhones and the dangers thereof. This wasn't just a sheet of paper, but a laminated card in a stand. And this 4 weeks before they are even selling it.

    What I find so galling about this whole affair is that the very reason the hacking community exists is because we are typically loyal supporters of Apple hardware and are prepared to pay a premium in terms of hassle/time/money for early adoption. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
    Last edited by Tonyd; 10-11-2007 at 11:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonyd View Post
    Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
    lol, so, so true!
    I honestly think that SJ made a big mistake in not selling the iPhone sim free in the first place. But maybe that's just me. Wouldn't have had a couple of months of fun and anticipation and following this forum every day if he had, would I?
    Also I do believe that we as a community have come up with a few other nice little mods and tips and tricks, and that would not have come about so quickly were it not for our hatred of this break from traditional apple policy

    ... every cloud has a silver lining?

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    There's a lot of rampant paranoia going around about the idea that Apple is going to deliberately damage iPhones that have been hacked or unlocked.

    However, the reality is that even the v1.1.1 release does not indicate anything of the sort. Consider this...

    Firstly, if Apple really wanted to lock down unlocked iPhones and/or penalize users for unlocking, they would have targeted all unlocks, not just the iUnlock/AnySIM methods. Apple mentioned these first two by name, and significantly omitted any mention of the IPSF solution.

    It would not have been impossible or even at all unreasonable for a firmware update to target the IPSF solution just as easily, if Apple were targeting unlocked iPhones. A simple baseband/modem query will return the unlock status, and even if IPSF uses a "legitimate" unlock method, the reality is that there aren't supposed to be any unlocked iPhones out there right now.

    The reality is that the iUnlock/AnySIM solution modify the seczone/EEPROM in such a way as to cause the "stock" baseband firmware to return an error condition that makes the iPhone unusable with any SIM. This is not a v1.1.1 specific issue -- restoring the "stock" v1.0.2 firmware will result in the exact same problem. The difference is that you can recover from this in v1.0.2 simply by running iUnlock again and restoring the patched firmware that understands the information in the seczone and returns the iPhone to an unlocked state.

    However, when updating to v1.1.1, of course the firmware is updated, and the iUnlock-patched firmware is replaced with "stock" firmware. The problem in v1.1.1 is that until just a couple of days ago, there wasn't even a way into the OS, much less a patched v1.1.1 firmware that could be applied to fix this issue. The inability do downgrade the baseband firmware (under any conditions), further complicates this issue.

    Now, Apple certainly could have taken steps to repair this situation as part of the firmware update process, but really why should they? Even if Apple was feeling magnanimous, it's just not good business sense to spend research, development and testing time to solve a problem that should not have occurred in the first place. Not to even mention the possible unintended consequences (side-effects) of doing this as part of the firmware update process.

    Likewise, it's not good business sense for Apple to spend money trying to defeat unlocks that haven't otherwise modified the iPhone from a standard software/firmware state.

    In the end, Apple tightened their security with v1.1.1 to prevent future hacks, but otherwise took a very neutral approach to the entire unlocking issue.... They provided a stock firmware update with no specific intention of either locking or bricking any phones... If replacing the firmware happens to brick your phone because of what iUnlock did to the seczone, then that's not really Apple's problem, nor is it their responsibility to address this issue.

    But let's get away from this nonsense that Apple did anything to deliberately break any iPhones, as that's simply not rational... They certainly could have done this if they wanted to.... However, instead, they provided more than adequate warning before the v1.1.1 update, and even in the midst of the update process (nice big bold warning letters), advising people that the update may cause problems for unlocked iPhones.

    That doesn't sound like an organization who is going to plant timebombs into their firmware to break or re-lock iPhones.... Merely an organization that is going to continue to release neutral updates that are only designed and tested for the stock firmware that the iPhone was shipped with, and was supported with.


    (Consider this as a reasonable analogy... If you modified the BIOS in your PC or Mac with unsupported hacker code to overclock the processor or otherwise enable some unsupported feature, and then your entire computer crashed because you tried to apply an OS update in this situation, would it really be Microsoft or Apple's fault?)


 

 
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