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    Default [1.1.3] Updating > Madness or a good idea?

    Forgive my ignorance – guess I’m somewhat dense and have no doubt missed something -- but can someone please explain to me why everyone feels so blindly compelled to upgrade to a unstable/problematic rendition of iPhone software that 1) contains only part of the full package, 2) requires patching to fix numerous oversights/errors with this implementations, 3) provides next to no advantages over 1.1.2 that cannot be achieved via 3rd party apps or natively (with the exception of the “wiggle” in the Icon rearrange), that 4) introduces problems that are either the result of the current Jailbreak or software (i.e. SMS ordering issues/Timezone issues), and last but not least, 5) makes it very difficult to downgrade back to 1.1.2 without losing ALL of your settings and photos, SMS, MAP.app and Youtube shortcuts, alarms, weather.app cities, etc., etc., etc. Anyone ever think about WHATIF you need to downgrade to 1.1.1/1.1.2 in order to install the all inclusive 1.1.3. Guess not?

    Once again, clearly I’m being dense and am simply not understanding the attraction of being on the bleeding edge. Any comments in favour or against what I’ve stated? Surely I’ve missed something since so many of you out there have taken the plunge.



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    Yeah I see now reason to risk upgrading to 1.1.3 when 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 are stable and have everything 1.1.3 has, but only with 3rd Party Apps. I mean if there was a way to jailbreak 1.1.3 that was an actual jailbreak and not just a soft update, like everything working like they did with firmwares below 1.1.3, I would upgrade instantly, but at the moment, I cant understand the obsession with upgrading to 1.1.3 and only getting some features and lots of problems...

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    Same here. Just keep in mind: if it ain't broke, don't fix it...
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    Taking the plunge from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 was well worth the while since it brought with it the resolution of an serious limitation with earlier versions since 1.0.0 had -- the lack of SMS Voice mail notifications and numerous other SMS notifications problems.

    Re: 1.1.3. What the Dev Team has done is what we used to do to perform mass Solaris upgrades using standard company builds. Namely, selectively copying the file system to the disk and leave out those bits that interfered with specially designed inhouse applications. In a professional environment this is considered desirable, however in the mainstream iPhone world, it's a bubblegum hack that has a very limited lifespan. What's more, it will make many of those out there regret ever installing it since they'll lose their entire configuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbird View Post
    Forgive my ignorance – guess I’m somewhat dense and have no doubt missed something -- but can someone please explain to me why everyone feels so blindly compelled to upgrade to a unstable/problematic rendition of iPhone software that 1) contains only part of the full package, 2) requires patching to fix numerous oversights/errors with this implementations, 3) provides next to no advantages over 1.1.2 that cannot be achieved via 3rd party apps or natively (with the exception of the “wiggle” in the Icon rearrange), that 4) introduces problems that are either the result of the current Jailbreak or software (i.e. SMS ordering issues/Timezone issues), and last but not least, 5) makes it very difficult to downgrade back to 1.1.2 without losing ALL of your settings and photos, SMS, MAP.app and Youtube shortcuts, alarms, weather.app cities, etc., etc., etc. Anyone ever think about WHATIF you need to downgrade to 1.1.1/1.1.2 in order to install the all inclusive 1.1.3. Guess not?

    Once again, clearly I’m being dense and am simply not understanding the attraction of being on the bleeding edge. Any comments in favour or against what I’ve stated? Surely I’ve missed something since so many of you out there have taken the plunge.
    Sorry to contradict you, but I have a very stable, without any problem whatsoever 1.1.3 NateJB, from a 1.1.1/04.01.13_G unlocked with AnySIM 1.1 , oktopreped, updated to 1.1.2 and unlocked with AnySIM 1.2.1u.

    I have no SMS ordering issues, no Timezone issues, no bluetooth issue, no network or Wifi issue, no sync or ringtone issues, no OpenSSH or installer issue....
    Caller ID was solved with timschuerewegen Appsupport patch, and Limited file disk space was alleviated with Bosstool 0.35 (almost 100 Mb gain with relocating Fonts and Ringtones without relocating any app!).

    Now, I must stress and point out the KEY SUCCESS to a successfull 1.1.3 NateJB,
    at least in my case : BEFORE to NateJB, that iphone had never undergone any third application installation, neither any patch or any mod. It had only Native Apple apps and has never ever been used : it was my second ipone "de secours", in case of emergency! Apart from the first unlocking process, it was a VIRGEN IPHONE.

    My conclusion and recommandation if you want no issues, at least for NateJB, and a successful transition to 1.1.3, is to remove ALL third applications installed except installer, to remove ALL mods and patchs, to clean a maximum the iphone from any item left by previous apps, mods or patches by SSHing and removing anything left that would interfere with NateJB method.
    I strongly believe, based on my own experience, that in that case the transition to 1.1.3 NateJB would be successfull and rewarding.

    I also believe that, as far as 1.1.3 is concerned, one does not need anymore Customize (I needed it only to rearrange my icons), or Summerboard (more issues and problem of stability).

    I don't consider a hassle before transition to save its photos or personal items(ROMs, Dictionnaries...), or very time consuming to rearrange ones settings as far as are concerned settings, SMS, MAP.app and Youtube shortcuts, alarms, weather.app cities, etc....

    Sorry, Snowbird : 1.1.3 is definitely NOT madness, it is a very good idea, a continuously rewarding experience and a lot of STABILITY when done in good conditions and a "virgen" iphone. Personaly, it did not introduce any single problem to me, and most, if not all, issues reported are du to interferences du to third apps, patches or mods not removed before 1.1.3 NateJB.

    No more iSMS, no more Customise and not a single day without the infinite PLEASURE to“wiggle” in the Icon rearrangement!!!

    I almost forgot : now, I can display instantenously my lyrics when I listen to my songs simply by tapping once in the album display!
    All my third applications that I installed afterwards ( almost 76 apps ) are working TIPTOP without any single problem to report. Googlemaps requires Navizon to run before, I can live with it, specially that even the Hybrid config works very well !!


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    THIS IS MADNESS!

    1.1.3 blows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duck9000 View Post
    Same here. Just keep in mind: if it ain't broke, don't fix it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yokken View Post
    THIS IS MADNESS!

    1.1.3 blows.
    If you've got the 300MB syndrome in iTunes, This is SPARTA !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbird View Post
    Forgive my ignorance Ė guess Iím somewhat dense and have no doubt missed something -- but can someone please explain to me why everyone feels so blindly compelled to upgrade to a unstable/problematic rendition of iPhone software that 1) contains only part of the full package, 2) requires patching to fix numerous oversights/errors with this implementations, 3) provides next to no advantages over 1.1.2 that cannot be achieved via 3rd party apps or natively (with the exception of the ďwiggleĒ in the Icon rearrange), that 4) introduces problems that are either the result of the current Jailbreak or software (i.e. SMS ordering issues/Timezone issues), and last but not least, 5) makes it very difficult to downgrade back to 1.1.2 without losing ALL of your settings and photos, SMS, MAP.app and Youtube shortcuts, alarms, weather.app cities, etc., etc., etc. Anyone ever think about WHATIF you need to downgrade to 1.1.1/1.1.2 in order to install the all inclusive 1.1.3. Guess not?

    Once again, clearly Iím being dense and am simply not understanding the attraction of being on the bleeding edge. Any comments in favour or against what Iíve stated? Surely Iíve missed something since so many of you out there have taken the plunge.

    Fully agreed.... I see no point in performing that shit on my well working 1.1.2 OTB. Wouldn't mind 1.1.3, but not with all these problems... Perhaps when they tweak it to make it work well 100% (allright... 99%) of the time, I will join the 1.1.3 club... For now - thanks guys, but no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogi799 View Post
    Fully agreed.... I see no point in performing that shit on my well working 1.1.2 OTB. Wouldn't mind 1.1.3, but not with all these problems... Perhaps when they tweak it to make it work well 100% (allright... 99%) of the time, I will join the 1.1.3 club... For now - thanks guys, but no.
    One main reason WHY we should do soft-upgrade to 1.1.3?

    I think I would like to have a full jailbreak version before I soft-upgrade.

    However, I noticed that many people has accidentally upgrade to 1.1.3 via iTune. (because their son or friend did the unthinkable of helping them upgrade via iTune.) ITune occassionally will pop up a message asking you to update (if you reboot or restore sometimes down the road.) If somehow, or someone click that update button (not restore), it might be stuck with baseband for 1.1.3 version. Then you loose the phone function. Unless you stay away from iTune and forget about backup, many times I feel like hitting that upgrade button. (because we got so used to Windows update patch that solve problems, instead of this one locking your phone.

    So I think if you do a soft-update to 1.1.3, iTune will no longer ask you to update via iTune. So you can eliminate one chance of locking yourself up.

    Is this true? (I am still at 1.1.2 OTB and base band, so I can not give you a firm answer above. But that is how I feel it might happen.
    Last edited by garylin; 02-02-2008 at 08:44 AM. Reason: Update title


 

 
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