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    ok,
    it is still not working and i am wondering if my 2.0 is just f****d up.

    I am Curious, but if anyone (with working push mail on iphone) could help me, by trying to got to

    Settings > Mail, contacts andCalender > mobileme account

    and telling me what happens if you switch "E-Mails" from "on" to "off". Do you get that confirmation screen asking you to "stop syncing" or "Cancel"? Because that is what it does with all the other switches (Calender, Contacts etc) if i turn them off. Just the "Emails"-switch doesnt ask for a confirmation...

    would be great if anyone could tell me how it is working other 2.0 iPhones (2G).

    thanks,

    mono
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    1.0.2 OTB -> 1.1.1 -> Independence 1.2.3 -> anySIM 1.1...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mono View Post
    ok,
    it is still not working and i am wondering if my 2.0 is just f****d up.

    I am Curious, but if anyone (with working push mail on iphone) could help me, by trying to got to

    Settings > Mail, contacts andCalender > mobileme account

    and telling me what happens if you switch "E-Mails" from "on" to "off". Do you get that confirmation screen asking you to "stop syncing" or "Cancel"? Because that is what it does with all the other switches (Calender, Contacts etc) if i turn them off. Just the "Emails"-switch doesnt ask for a confirmation...

    would be great if anyone could tell me how it is working other 2.0 iPhones (2G).

    thanks,

    mono
    Nothing happens when i switch Email from on to off. There is no confirmation screen. What is not working for you? Does the following work:

    - When your mobileme account receives an email, does it get pushed to your iphone?

    - When you make a change in your address book on your Mac, does it get updated to mobileme website?

    - Does the same change in mobileme website gets pushed to your iphone?

    - When you make some changes in contacts on your iphone, does it get pushed to mobileme web?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktula View Post
    Nothing happens when i switch Email from on to off. There is no confirmation screen. What is not working for you? Does the following work:

    - When your mobileme account receives an email, does it get pushed to your iphone?

    - When you make a change in your address book on your Mac, does it get updated to mobileme website?

    - Does the same change in mobileme website gets pushed to your iphone?

    - When you make some changes in contacts on your iphone, does it get pushed to mobileme web?

    thanks for your help. was just curious about that confirmation.

    - When my mobileme account receives an email, it does NOT get pushe to my iphone. i get the email on my iphone as soon as i open mail on the iphone and "download" new emails

    - when i make a change in addressbook on my imac, it gets updated on the mobileme website. ive set the frequency to one minute.

    - the change in the address book on my mac does get to mobileme (homepage) but seems not to get to the iPhone at all.. weird. (well, it would, if i'd sync using iTunes... speaking of. do i have to turn sync of contacts etc. off in itunes?) it does not even get pushed to the iphone, if i create a contact with contacts on the homepage... but gets pushed right to my imac... my iphone doesnt even receive the contacts if i open adresses.
    well, i rebooted it. then it worked when i opened contacts. same with calender.

    - after the reboot, if i make changes on the contacts, calender.. they get pushed (the wheel in menu-bar of iphone starts spinning).

    hmm. i just tried the push for email and it worked once... really strange. no explanation.


    thanks for your help and support. hopefully my "testresults" is givin you some kind of explanation...

    mono
    iBook G4 800Mhz
    iMac Intel 2,66GHZ 750GB

    iPhone 8GB running SW 2.0.1
    1.0.2 OTB -> 1.1.1 -> Independence 1.2.3 -> anySIM 1.1...
    ... pwnage 2.0 -> pwnage 2.0.2

    Location: Germany
    Carrier: EPlus

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    This might sound silly ... but I can't find a definitive answer.

    I've never had push work for me on my 1.1.4 and now 2.0 phone with Yahoo! Mail.

    I have the free Yahoo! Mail and am using TMO $5.99 plan with the t-zone hack.

    My question is, if it was indeed the $5.99 plan (I believe I read users on this same plan who got push to work), will push work over wifi?

    Problem is those who say it works over wifi, might have the full internet plan from TMO ($19.99) or even the data plan from AT&T. I suspect perhaps the push comes through Edge automagically even when it is showing Wifi.

    For those folks who says push works for you with the $5.99 plan, can you confirm?

    Also, those who has the full plan, can you disable Edge (I believe on 1.1.4, the BossPrefs has a way to disable it or maybe just use airport mode) and run solely on Wifi and see if Yahoo! Mail pushes.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mono View Post
    thanks for your help. was just curious about that confirmation.

    - When my mobileme account receives an email, it does NOT get pushe to my iphone. i get the email on my iphone as soon as i open mail on the iphone and "download" new emails

    - when i make a change in addressbook on my imac, it gets updated on the mobileme website. ive set the frequency to one minute.

    - the change in the address book on my mac does get to mobileme (homepage) but seems not to get to the iPhone at all.. weird. (well, it would, if i'd sync using iTunes... speaking of. do i have to turn sync of contacts etc. off in itunes?) it does not even get pushed to the iphone, if i create a contact with contacts on the homepage... but gets pushed right to my imac... my iphone doesnt even receive the contacts if i open adresses.
    well, i rebooted it. then it worked when i opened contacts. same with calender.

    - after the reboot, if i make changes on the contacts, calender.. they get pushed (the wheel in menu-bar of iphone starts spinning).

    hmm. i just tried the push for email and it worked once... really strange. no explanation.


    thanks for your help and support. hopefully my "testresults" is givin you some kind of explanation...

    mono
    Bitte schoen.

    Apple's MobileMe service has not been as reliable as most wanted it to be. You probably recall the serious issues with MobileMe service the first few days after its launch. I could barely log into MobileMe on the second or third day, and even when i was able to log in, everything was just extremely slow. So it is very likely that your sync issue with iPhone may be a remnant of issues that affected (may be still affecting) MobileMe.

    Do you have a Yahoo! email account? If you do, try setting it up on your iPhone. Yahoo! push email has been working relatively well for me. So if that works for you, then at least you know the issue may be on MobileMe's end than your iPhone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hamproof View Post
    This might sound silly ... but I can't find a definitive answer.

    I've never had push work for me on my 1.1.4 and now 2.0 phone with Yahoo! Mail.

    I have the free Yahoo! Mail and am using TMO $5.99 plan with the t-zone hack.

    My question is, if it was indeed the $5.99 plan (I believe I read users on this same plan who got push to work), will push work over wifi?

    Problem is those who say it works over wifi, might have the full internet plan from TMO ($19.99) or even the data plan from AT&T. I suspect perhaps the push comes through Edge automagically even when it is showing Wifi.

    For those folks who says push works for you with the $5.99 plan, can you confirm?

    Also, those who has the full plan, can you disable Edge (I believe on 1.1.4, the BossPrefs has a way to disable it or maybe just use airport mode) and run solely on Wifi and see if Yahoo! Mail pushes.

    Thanks
    Yahoo! push email (free account) had always been working for me, at least until i switched to the $5.99 Tmobile web plan. Last night after switching back to the $19.99 Total internet plan, Yahoo! push email and MobileMe sync to the iPhone started working almost immediately.

    It is very possible that the Tzone hack i installed after switching to the $5.99 plan was not the same one as those who got push email working. The one i installed came from one of the BigBoss sources.

    I did the test as you requested.

    I first disabled wifi, and then i sent an email to my mobileme account and yahoo! account simultaneously. The email was pushed to MobileMe account. The email that was sent to my yahoo! account was not pushed to my iphone (Yahoo! push email is sometimes quite inconsistent and after waiting for about 10 minutes, i went on with the next test)

    Next, i then disabled EDGE (turn on airplane mode) and enabled wifi (this feature was added in 2.0). I then sent one email to mobileme and yahoo! almost simultaneously. Surprisingly, the email was pushed to my mobileme account almost immediately after it was sent. And the emails that were sent to my yahoo! account were pushed to my iphone moments later.

    I am very surprised that push email actually works when running on wifi. I always thought that push email was a cellular thing. This makes me wonder if the emails were actually being pushed to the iphone. It is possible that something running on the iphone is "pulling" the email at set intervals.

    I checked my push settings on my iphone and was able to verify that both mobileme and yahoo! were set to "push" not "fetch".

    Hope this helps.

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    Thanks for trying ... please clarify one thing. When you were testing, did you set the phone to never autolock so you can see the Mail icon display the number of new messages in HOME screen? Or did you already have Mail.app launched and waiting?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamproof View Post
    Thanks for trying ... please clarify one thing. When you were testing, did you set the phone to never autolock so you can see the Mail icon display the number of new messages in HOME screen? Or did you already have Mail.app launched and waiting?
    I always leave my iphone in standby mode (display off). I believe when i press the power button, the Mail app was up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktula View Post
    Yahoo! push email (free account) had always been working for me, at least until i switched to the $5.99 Tmobile web plan. Last night after switching back to the $19.99 Total internet plan, Yahoo! push email and MobileMe sync to the iPhone started working almost immediately.
    I am a little lost here...

    You have the T-Zone plan now? Or the TIP? I can't can't seem to get push to work with the T-Zone hack and from what I understand you switched to the TIP AND THEN back to the T-Zone plan and it worked?

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    I am very surprised that push email actually works when running on wifi. I always thought that push email was a cellular thing. This makes me wonder if the emails were actually being pushed to the iphone. It is possible that something running on the iphone is "pulling" the email at set intervals.
    I'm going back a few months now and I've slept since then so my memory is a bit foggy but, I did some research on how Push works. Don't flame me for using simplified references here but, its a bit like a ping request from your phone. Your phone sends out a message to your server saying' Have you anything for me?' and waits a specified time for a response. If a change in 'the cloud' occurs within that time, the server sends the response back with the changes included. If there are no changes within the timeout, the server responds with 'there are no changes' and the whole process repeats.

    If the initial request from your iPhone is sent to the server over a wifi connection, the server will respond over that connection, as its responding to the IP address that asked the question in the first place. Similarly, if the iPhone sends the request over an edge connection, the response will come via the edge connection. There is an increased amount of network traffic between the server and the iPhone regardless of whether you have new emails or not, as the iPhone is continually asking, 'do you have anything new for me?'. This is why PUSH email on the devices both runs the battery down quicker and also pushes up your data usage with your provider.

    If PUSH is working over WIFI but not over EDGE, then that may imply that your provider has blocked that particular message perhaps because the service plan you have doesn't allow this facility, whereas a more expensive plan allows these messages to get through, ie you've paid the extra for the extra bandwidth that you will use with the PUSH facilities turned on.

    Hope that helps someone.


 

 
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