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    Default 1.1.1 & Native Apps

    Can anyone confirm that they are able to continue using 3rd party apps with a 1.1.1 iPhone? Can the phone even be jailbroken anymore?

    I would like some of the functionality of 1.1.1 (improved stability, TV out, Safari enhancements) but I want 3rd party apps more.
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    after update unlocked iphones are no longer working, you should wait dude.. really.
    no jailbreak, no ibrickr, no nothing..
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    from the updates on gizmodo, it seems that when you update a locked iphone w/ installer.app it retains all your programs in the memory but doesn't show up in springboard (meaning you can't launch them).

    I wonder if you had SSH installed, would ssh still be available? If so, you could possibly still have access to the filesystem and possibly get things back and running?

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    sounds like they replaced the dashboard list with their new version for itunes? id assume they patched the jail break hole previously used.. so im thinking it might take some time to find a new way to jailbreak?

    the ssh idea is interesting... i wonder if that would work.

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    Question

    If SSH, then what about natetrue's flying dock? (http://cre.ations.net/creation/dock)
    I have no idea how it works, but it seems independent of the home screen.

    Has anyone tried updating their iPhone with this app installed?
    Does it load after the update? (I'm not very hopeful, but hey)


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    The whole idea of the programs staying intact is absurd. If you have 3rd party apps installed, iTunes WILL require a restore, which would completely eliminate anything and everything. So, this is fake or misunderstood.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, i'm off to browse the iTunes WIFI music store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecompkid View Post
    The whole idea of the programs staying intact is absurd. If you have 3rd party apps installed, iTunes WILL require a restore, which would completely eliminate anything and everything. So, this is fake or misunderstood.
    Gizmodo reports: "After several hours of testing in house and wiht (sic) iPhone Dev team... The update will work ok in iPhones with Installer.app (although it gets wiped out. The apps seem to remain in the iPhone, but they won't appear in your screen.)"

    Are you saying that you have information that refutes this claim that 3rd party apps remain stored in memory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbert View Post
    The apps seem to remain in the iPhone, but they won't appear in your screen.)
    I'm wondering where the block is. On versions 1.0.0-1.0.2, Springboard.app listed everything in the Applications directory. Before I found that out, I thought you had to edit the DisplayOrder.plist file to get the icons to show up.

    So, if the block is that it will only show stuff in DisplayOrder.plist, then we may still be able to add stuff to that list to get it to show up. I mean, the list of "approved" apps has to be somewhere, and I bet that list could be appended. I find it odd that Apple would do this since Phil ?Shifler? recently said that Apple would not purposefully hose 3rd party apps.

    On another note, maybe the author of Summerboard can "fix" this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurro View Post
    I find it odd that Apple would do this since Phil ?Shifler? recently said that Apple would not purposefully hose 3rd party apps.
    It was Greg Joswiak. Phil Schiller was the one who said the hacks "caused damage to iPhones."

    But it doesn't matter, Apple people are big, fat, stickin' liars...

    They fully intended to do this. That's why the two ramdisk.dmgs in the firmware are encrypted. That's why they've changed the activation and communications protocols within iTunes.

    They want to stop the hacks and have spent a few months developing extra security to do it.

    Apple says it "doesn't want to spend time and resources supporting the hacks" but they've actually spent a lot of time and resources to disable the hacks.

    If they'd spent that time improving the iPhone instead, maybe the iPod wouldn't crash while browsing in Safari...

    Quote Originally Posted by kurro View Post
    On another note, maybe the author of Summerboard can "fix" this.
    I wonder if he's thought of that.

    I bet all the 3rd party iPhone app developers are scrambling at the moment to see if writing apps for iPhone is still viable. After all most iPhone users will update to 1.1.1. I know five typical iPhone users who have already done it, and they were using AppTapp. Now they aren't of course, and the sad thing is, they'll probably forget how cool Installer.app was.

    I'm worried that if AppTapp can't easily be updated, the scene will simply dry up, because only the hardcore hackers will want to stay on 1.0.2 to use them. Most average users would prefer to have Safari security fixes and the Wi-Fi Music Store, etc.


    Hopefully the dev team can come through with a new jailbreak before that happens. Donating would probably help...
    http://hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8493
    Last edited by dotmike; 09-28-2007 at 06:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurro View Post
    So, if the block is that it will only show stuff in DisplayOrder.plist, then we may still be able to add stuff to that list to get it to show up.
    Well, that's what I was thinking. I'm talking completely out my ass here, but that flying dock thingy from Natetrue seemed like the most springboard-independent launcher, and if that somehow survives the update (doubtful), maybe that would be an avenue to get back in business quickly. But if it doesn't survive the update (probable), then I would guess that whatever it takes to get it going again would make that whole idea moot anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by dotmike View Post
    ... the sad thing is, they'll probably forget how cool Installer.app was.
    Is that possible?!

    Quote Originally Posted by dotmike View Post
    I'm worried that if AppTapp can't easily be updated, the scene will simply dry up, because only the hardcore hackers will want to stay on 1.0.2 to use them. Most average users would prefer to have Safari security fixes and the Wi-Fi Music Store, etc.
    Screw the wi-fi music store! Damn the Safari security fixes!
    I want the louder speaker phone volume!! (if it weren't for that "bug" fix, I wouldn't be so conflicted about updating from 1.0.2)


 

 
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