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    so many problems, just downgrade to 3.1.2 then use blackra1n its so much easier



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    Default Re: Redsn0w 3.1.3 Ipod 2g jailbreak problems

    Quote Originally Posted by cadsii
    so many problems, just downgrade to 3.1.2 then use blackra1n its so much easier
    Don't take this advice. Blackra1n requires you to spend way too much time after jailbreak installing things that are in the redsn0w and pwnagetool jailbreak. If you forget to do this and later stuff up your phone by installing something incompatible from cydia. Well you have only one choice -restore.

    Plus resdn0w works for 3.0, 3.0.1, 3.1.2, 3.1.3, with updated patches - it will continue to work for 2G and 3G iPhones for ever!

    Blackra1n - it works for 3.1.2 and 3.1. Hole is closed in 3.1.3 need a new hole and a new jailbreak.

    Look at geohot's history of hardcoding patched in jailbreaks then abandoning them when the next OS release comes around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olethros View Post
    Don't take this advice. Blackra1n requires you to spend way too much time after jailbreak installing things that are in the redsn0w and pwnagetool jailbreak. If you forget to do this and later stuff up your phone by installing something incompatible from cydia. Well you have only one choice -restore.

    Plus resdn0w works for 3.0, 3.0.1, 3.1.2, 3.1.3, with updated patches - it will continue to work for 2G and 3G iPhones for ever!

    Blackra1n - it works for 3.1.2 and 3.1. Hole is closed in 3.1.3 need a new hole and a new jailbreak.

    Look at geohot's history of hardcoding patched in jailbreaks then abandoning them when the next OS release comes around.
    I'm going to have to disagree with you on your first point.

    I run the 1 file, Blackra1nl, then click the button and wait for the phone to reboot. So thats 2 mouse clicks ! and your done on the pc, no downloading firmware or any of that stuff like with redsn0w, and you say you have to spend too much time on the phone after why ??? to jailbreak you launch Blackra1n icon and select cydia and it installs, again 2 or 3 clicks, i bet if we went side by side redsn0w vs blackra1n on 3.1.2 or 3.1 i would do 3 phones in the time it takes you to do one.

    my 2 cents

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    Default Re: Redsn0w 3.1.3 Ipod 2g jailbreak problems

    Quote Originally Posted by cadsii
    I'm going to have to disagree with you on your first point.

    I run the 1 file, Blackra1nl, then click the button and wait for the phone to reboot. So thats 2 mouse clicks ! and your done on the pc, no downloading firmware or any of that stuff like with redsn0w, and you say you have to spend too much time on the phone after why ??? to jailbreak you launch Blackra1n icon and select cydia and it installs, again 2 or 3 clicks, i bet if we went side by side redsn0w vs blackra1n on 3.1.2 or 3.1 i would do 3 phones in the time it takes you to do one.
    Yes blackra1n does appear simple, but this simplicity later becomes a problem for many people.

    1. AFC2 service.
      Blackra1n does not configure afc2 service for whole iPhone disk - which is used by ifuntastic and many other programs that allow you to browwse/copy/modify files on your iPhone via USB.

      Really useful when you accidentally install something from cydia that partly screws up your phone. Most people don't install OpenSSH (which is about the only other way to fix your phone when it is partly screwed)
      Fix - install afc2add from cydia.
    2. Slower installation of Cydia
      on redsn0w a version of cydia is included in the jailbreak, it simply needs to do some initial config and update itself. Much faster than blackra1n method which has to first open ra1n app on phone, select cydia then download cydia from the net, initial config and finally download updates from net.
    3. Accidentally deleting rain.app
      How do you reinstall this if you delete it? What happened if you did not install cydia/blacksn0w before deleting this and then later needed one or both of these?
      Solution, use redsn0w - select already pwned and install Cydia. Then install blacksn0w from Cydia.
    4. Support?
      Geohot has yet again abandoned the iPhone hacking community. His tools are released, work for a short while with the current firmware then they almost always break because he took programming short cuts

      Devteam have released a jailbreak for every iPhone OS so far. Plus they have released unlocks that continue to work - if you follow their instructions on careful safe upgrading. Blacksn0w needs to be hacked to work with 3.1.3, purplesn0w - that's long forgotten.
      Ultrasn0w, well it uses the same payload that yellowsn0w used, that was way back with OS 2.2. The only difference is the hole used to inject the payload. As Apple closes off holes, the devteam find new ones and keep on pushing through the same unlock payload - which has been tested on many networks, does not screw up wifi and gets small improvements where necessary.
    5. browsing for an IPSW?
      Yeah so blackra1n is so blindingly fast. I recall purplera1n was also quite fast.
      Did either continue to work with the next x.x.1 update from Apple? Nope.
      However redsn0w worked fine with 3.0.1 and now with 3.1.3 due to the fact that it makes you browse for an IPSW. I consider that a feature.
    6. hacktivation/youtube certs
      Blackra1n lacked hackivation for the first two releases. When it did come, it was done a strange way that caused problems with troubleshooting. Support/documentation - see the support section earlier.

      Solution - pushdoctor from cydia to get legitimate certificates.
    7. rock.app
      Package management is complex, handling correct installation of dependencies and so on is not as simple as it seems. Cydia, while slow - has always done this right.
      Rock, like icy and even installer.app before it - advertised speed as a feature, however this came at the expense of reliability. The jailbreaking scene is small compared to the legit scene, having too many package installers, especially when they don't work well.
      Rock.app has only one great feature, try before you buy. That could have been added into Cydia instead.
      Plenty of examples where rock.app has screwed the user's phone (either because they had both rock and cydia installed at the same time, or simply bad package management)

      Solution - stick to the one known working package app - Cydia. Which recently got a speed boost.


    What is blackra1n good for?

    1. Kickstarting new bootrom 3GS after they are reset. This is a case where the browsing for an IPSW is a pain. Especially when the phone is stuck in such a situation that it needs to be drained of power before it can be kickstarted. Blackra1n excels at this.
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    I have blackra1n and have had to apply a patch for PushFix to get youtube to work already.

    Is redsn0w still a beta?


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    Quote Originally Posted by arshish1612 View Post
    I have blackra1n and have had to apply a patch for PushFix to get youtube to work already.

    Is redsn0w still a beta?
    No. redsn0w 0.9.2 is not a beta.
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    i agree with Olethros on post #4.
    blackra1n looks simple and appears fast to end users. But this is look and feel can be deceiving.

    Honestly, i've only use blacra1n 1 time each on my iphone 2g, 3g and 3gs. And I only used it in order to help people with problem. I don't even bother to run blackra1n icon on the phone. As soon as I finished testing it, I restore my iphone to stock fw and jailbreak again using redsn0w .

    Blackra1n is only good for using it to tether-boot

    No doubt, geohot is incredibly talented. However, he leaves the community in limbo. For example, his blacksn0w unlock creates wifi problem and possibly corruption. He knows what it is but refused to fix it. His blacksn0w works only on OS = 3.1.2 where as Dev Team ultrasn0w works on OS = 3.0, 3.0.1, 3.1, 3.1.2, 3.1.3
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