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    I made that turorial on awkwardtv.org while I was trying to get Wuala running on the appletv. I didn't manage to get the gui version working. The console version would have been enough but then I noticed that the AppleTV has no nfs binaries. So a connection to the wuala network and an integration into /Volumes/ was not possible. So I finally gave up.

    As Jdownloader worked, I decided to put the tutorial on the internet. But perhaps I did something not listed on the wiki page.

    Btw, I don't think that it is that easy to write a simmilar program in obj-c. This would mean to write all the dozens*of plugins as well ...


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    @ASH
    Thank you so much... Jdownloader is the best software to download movies...
    I am looking forward to see your tutorial. Any chance I see this tutorial before the weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash View Post
    I made that turorial on awkwardtv.org while I was trying to get Wuala running on the appletv. I didn't manage to get the gui version working. The console version would have been enough but then I noticed that the AppleTV has no nfs binaries. So a connection to the wuala network and an integration into /Volumes/ was not possible. So I finally gave up.

    As Jdownloader worked, I decided to put the tutorial on the internet. But perhaps I did something not listed on the wiki page.

    Btw, I don't think that it is that easy to write a simmilar program in obj-c. This would mean to write all the dozens*of plugins as well ...
    writing in objective-c is 10000000x easier and ALOT less code that horrid java, i bet i really wouldnt be that hard.

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    @nito: ok, you convinced me ;-)

    @dafranca: the guide already exists: Install Java - AwkwardTV.
    I wrote this a few months ago. But it was not on the main site, because it's not that interesting ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash View Post
    @nito: ok, you convinced me ;-)

    @dafranca: the guide already exists: Install Java - AwkwardTV.
    I wrote this a few months ago. But it was not on the main site, because it's not that interesting ...
    i know i didnt, but thats okay you just dont want to argue im just rantin cuz i cant stand every java app i've ever run, they are just terrible.


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    OFFTOPIC: During my studies I often needed some special software (sql console, programming, ...). I always hated to boot up my virtual winxp, if there were no mac software available. Sometimes the software we had to use was written in java. A doubleclick and it worked (though it was slow, ugly and a PITA to use). But at least for I while I didn't have to hear this "nothing runs on your mac", "macs don't have good software", "windows is better, because everything runs" ...
    We both know, that Mac OS X is the superior OS, but this nagging is just nerving.

    I wouldn't use any java software, if a native one instead exists. But often there is no such alternative. Jdownloader is such a software. There are others, like MSD or Load!, but both don't compare in terms of the range of functions. Another advantage: if you use windows/linux pc (and I do) then you have just one program, always working/looking/behaving the same way.

    Btw, I didn't argue, because it makes no sense to discuss a topic with a obj-c "fundamentalist". You have your opinion, and I accept that. I have mine too. I often had such disucssions on aquataskforce ;-) ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash View Post
    OFFTOPIC: During my studies I often needed some special software (sql console, programming, ...). I always hated to boot up my virtual winxp, if there were no mac software available. Sometimes the software we had to use was written in java. A doubleclick and it worked (though it was slow, ugly and a PITA to use). But at least for I while I didn't have to hear this "nothing runs on your mac", "macs don't have good software", "windows is better, because everything runs" ...
    We both know, that Mac OS X is the superior OS, but this nagging is just nerving.

    I wouldn't use any java software, if a native one instead exists. But often there is no such alternative. Jdownloader is such a software. There are others, like MSD or Load!, but both don't compare in terms of the range of functions. Another advantage: if you use windows/linux pc (and I do) then you have just one program, always working/looking/behaving the same way.

    Btw, I didn't argue, because it makes no sense to discuss a topic with a obj-c "fundamentalist". You have your opinion, and I accept that. I have mine too. I often had such disucssions on aquataskforce ;-) ...
    lol i've never been referred to as a fundamentalist (then again never heard the term used outside of a religious context) and that is hilarious. i understand the standpoint of wanting to avoid running windows (i've avoided running it 99% of my life luckily) and of course anything that runs native (even if its a crappy option) is still better than the alternative i agree. And i can be very stubborn especially with regards to objective-c so i actually had the same standpoint that you did on why any debate would be in vain, im definitely objective-c to the core and nothing else. i learned some C++ when i was younger and i hated it, learned some VERY brief touches of java and i didnt like that either, objective-c is the only language that has ever made sense to me and it hasn't been a major headache to code in (for the most part). anyhow ill stop hijacking this thread and let you guys get back to it sorry bout that.
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    OFFTOPIC: No problem at all. I even understand you. For me obj-c is a crappy language. Bad structure, ugly method names, the word "properties" seems to be totally misunderstood by the apple developers.
    Why do I have to use [string stringByAppendingString:string2];? A string + string2 would be much easier. This is really annoying. Well, at least they stay consistent ...
    And then all these damn brackets: alt 5/6 every few characters is not very user friendly. Additionally, the apple keyboards lack []{}\ and some other chars on the keys^.

    And xcode is ... well it is better then vi ...
    I must admit, I could get around obj-c, it's something one can learn. But xcode is unworth to be called an apple program. Bad syntax highlighting, code completion is just not working as such a feature should. Even Eclipse has better code completion/intellisense. Though it can't compete with visual studio's one.
    The debugging lacks essential features, like looking into objects in real-time and changing some values.
    Having to edit header files is just awful (am I the only one, living in the new millenium?). This should be done automatically - completely hidden from the user.
    Jumping through the text with with alt- or cmd-left/right does react unexpected most of the time. Sometimes the cursors stands before the : sometimes after, sometimes a few lines below ...
    No real inline api help? Do I really want to use apps like appkido or an open safari with the dev docs?

    The overall feeling is like being in a notepad app with a build button ...

    I admit, that perhaps this is my fault, and I'm just to stupid to find all these functions ...

    Apple should try to look into visual studio. It might be, that M$ programs are unsecure, but they are fast (ok, not vista ...), and easy to use. (Maybe I have already been brainwashed by Microsoft ...). Visual studio has everything onboard, is really easy to use and everyone can easily create apps. Ok, they don't look as good as mac os apps ...


    There are two kind of fundamentalists: religious ones and hardcore apple/mac fanboys ;-). From many discussions on aquataskforce.com I learned that trying to convince a real apple fanboy/fundamentalist, that there are some errors/misbehaviours/design glitches/etc. is pointsless. "The apple god has spoken a word, and the word became flesh in mac os x. This is absolute and for ever. How can you, who is using windows/linux too, criticize the holy mac os x?". (ok, a little bit exaggerated ... but you get the point?).

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    (sorry, double post)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash View Post
    .......
    As Jdownloader worked, I decided to put the tutorial on the internet. But perhaps I did something not listed on the wiki page.....

    And what did you do to get the jdownloader working? Or did i missunderstand you?


 

 
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