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    @freakqnc: the boot file looks like it is a real binary file. The readable texts are just some text resources. So nothing interesting there.

    The mac mini is a very god choice compared to the atv. It's a real computer (with all the dis-/advantages) and only costs €600. With frontrow it can also act as a decent video player.

    For people who want to run a real mac os and don't want to tinker around, the mini obviously is the better choice. Trying to intall leopard on a ATV is some sort of hobby, knowing that this will never be a feasible thing. But nevertheless is is fun ;-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by lstep View Post
    The Apple TV is a seductive item. I have mine hooked up to an HDTV next to a Mac Mini(09) which is also hooked up to it. The Mini does way more but the Apple TV just has something which stops me from moving it to our other TV to replace a Power PC Mini which is there.

    The 256megs of ram pretty well limits most installs so it may not be worth installing the latest Darwin. I have smb,afp,perian,external USB drive, etc...all working great and streaming works fine. It will pretty well play anything I through at it (not 1080p of course) and I know it makes no sense to install a larger hard drive than the 40gig drive it came with (it's 3 months old). After all I have 500gigs off the usb and terabytes from streaming. Nevertheless I look at the ATV and it's begging for that 320 gig WD IDE drive and it's so very tempting despite losing the warranty and the chance of messing everything up. It's this need to see if one can do it Same thing when I finally assembled a pretty neat hackintosh using boot-132, but that's left me bored while the ATV doesn't. I guess people with iPhones feel the same way. There is a lot to do there...

    The restrictions put in by Apple are really minimal and no doubt due to the studios. It's amazing that there are no few. Of course that 256meg thing is probably to prevent people from getting an ATV over a Mini.

    Since it will play almost anything, other than the 1080p stuff, that the other media players do (Popcorn Hour, etc...) why not just keep it? It's a really nice unit and this is from a dedicated Mac Mini fan...

    I do understand the frustration though...

    ls
    I did partially comment in reply to some of these observations regarding the ATV on another thread as well if you are interested reading about my ATV hacking process insanity

    Is undeniable that Mini does way more than ATV, and that is also my beef with Apple on this for crippling beyond belief the ATV. Although is understandable what that choice came from, keeping production costs low and discouraging people from even trying to run OS X on it ;P But guess what, looks like once again Apple underestimated the community of its users!

    Sorry but I'll have to disagree about the "256meg thing is probably to prevent people from getting an ATV over a Mini"... and "The restrictions put in by Apple are really minimal and no doubt due to the studios"
    IMHO (and that's just me):
    1) the 256MB do not represent the deciding factor for buying a Mini over an ATV,
    2) the limitations on the Apple TV are not minimal but quite conspicuous considering the ATV is not upgradable plus it lacks of optical drive,
    3) The studios really had nothing to gain from those hardware limitations (rather the contrary)

    As a matter of fact the mini should be a higher end and more beefed-up than what it was/is. In fact it should be in the same league as the iMacs with the only differences being form factor and lack of Monitor Keyboard and Mouse that come standard with iMacs... even then, the 256MB of the ATV simply just deterred people from getting an ATV and frustrated those who bought it, not just because is a low amount of RAM, but because that RAM is made by chips that are soldered on the logic board and can never be upgraded!

    If the marketing peeps at apple would have listened the ATV would be slightly more powerful and would have shipped future proofed becoming the lil' bro of the mini, looking more like this:
    1) upgradable 1.5 GHz CPU on socket
    2) expandable single SO-DIMM slot with 512 MB RAM
    3) 1x USB port, 1 Firewire, 1 Ethernet, 1 digital Optical and 1 HDMI 1.3 port
    4) 1x 4-contacts mini jack to composite with audio port (doubling as mini jack for headphones out)
    5) use the mini PCI-E slot for graphic card upgrades, rather than WLAN
    6) on boards wireless N chip with +EDR Bluetooth for cordless keyboard/mouse
    7) option to run OS X for additional fee
    8) In a Mini form factor stackable
    9) Optional HDD expansion (like time capsule) in a Mini form factor stackable
    10) Optional external Optical drive (eventually even blueray with graphic/cpu/ram upgrade) in a Mini form factor stackable

    A few heads at Apple's marketing department should really roll since it's their fault if ATV has turned into a huge flop! Instead of becoming an ever growing success.

    Will they ever start listening to its consumers? One day hopefully they finally will!...to blame are mainly poor marketing choices... So , dear marketing people at Apple, please leave the office more often and stop the stupid focus groups that are not representative of those who make up the apple community out here! Also get on the darn internet and start looking at forums and blogs like these to get an idea of what your users and potential new ones want... only then you would have found out that it definitely was not what apple ended up offering... Basically an hardware portal (that the users had to pay for) to let the iTunes store into Apple TV buyers' houses so they can be sucked dry by expensive services from the iTunes Store such as overpriced movie rentals, which despite being in a lower quality than rentable DVDs, Apple marketing geniuses expected us to pay those rentals as much as or more than a blockbuster DVD rental fees and several times over what one needs to pay to get DVDs via Netflix membership! Not to mention that iTunes Store rentals are also time-limited... But hey, I already have cable for that crap! And I have used it only 1 time in years! To make matter worse marketing people at Apple thought that users would actually buy VHS quality, DRM-protected movies at nearly full DVD prices despite not being able to play them other than on Apple "authorized" hardware and on a limited number of machines (as DRM specifies) not to mention that one would not be able to carry purchased movies on the go like one could do with DVDs... Apple did not believe in Netflix and now it's paying the price for its shortsightedness... they could have integrated it into iTunes and split revenues but I guess it was either greed or bad marketing that did not make that happen.

    Don't get me wrong I have been a long time apple user and faithful (although nowadays Apple is no longer deserving the same allegiance and devotion than they used to deserve in the past).. that's also why I dedicated so much time trying to hack the ATV and make it finally run Leo! Plus... I have to admit that it does feel good to stick it to those marketing goons while proving OS X can run on such limited resources... try that with Vista LOL

    The overall experience is frustrating when you see a great company such as apple making bad decision to the point that now the line that separated them from companies like M$ is becoming more and more blurred. Not to mention that they stopped thinking different and are proposing more of the same through the adoption of old rotten marketing strategies aiming to gain market dominance... (it's almost like witnessing a beautiful girl turning into an old and ugly harpy!)

    PS: sorry for the additional off topic rants on this post... but I guess those couple comments really happened pouring salt on my wounds
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    Offtopic:
    I fully agree to you. The ATV could have become a major success. But instead of making an open (and more powerful) device, they crippeled it. The ATV could have become the number one choice for people who simply want to watch their video files on TV ...

    iPhone and G1 ("Google Phone") showed, that letting people develop their own apps pushes the platform as a whole and that this is one major factor in becoming a real success.
    Imagine what great apps would have already been developed, if there would be a real AppleTV SDK. Although I must admit, that there are really great apps like nitotv and atvfiles (and all the others of course). But there could be much much more ...

    Netflix integration, streaming from various video platforms. Maybe youtube has the most videos, but not the best! There are so much more: Vimeo, Google Video, Myvideo, etc.

    And not to mention all the other possible apps, from pdf/ebook/news readers, (simple) games, rom emulators, internet surfing (like couchsurfer).

    Imho, the real big mistake by the apple marketing people was, to think that they can make such a device for the masses. This is not possible. At the launch time, the ATV was a device for innovators and early adopters (to speak in the language of Geoffrey Moore). You cannot sell new innovative (high-tech) producs to such people without hearing on the feedback and letting them shape the products as well. You cannot sell the product to the masses as well at this time.
    But nevertheless, Apple tried to sell the ATV to the masses. But the truth is, that the masses were not ready, at the launch time. The only chance would have been to make a perfect product for the innovators/early adpoters and THEN (and only then) the product would have been ready for the mass market. The apple people should have read "Crossing the Chasm". This is the number one book for high-tech marketing. And this is one of the perfect negative examples ... the way it should never be done!

    Well, I have to stop before I stray from the subject to much ;-)

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    Default Booting Mac OSX on External Drive

    Hi all

    I have followed the article above step buy step up, but when am booting into Mac OSX on my mac just after installing it on the external hard drive and placing the boot.efi and setting permissions I get the following error once rebooting into the new Mac OSX to set up:

    MobileMe Gallery

    Any help would be much appreciated

    Many Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash View Post
    Offtopic:
    I fully agree to you. The ATV could have become a major success. But instead of making an open (and more powerful) device, they crippeled it. The ATV could have become the number one choice for people who simply want to watch their video files on TV ...

    iPhone and G1 ("Google Phone") showed, that letting people develop their own apps pushes the platform as a whole and that this is one major factor in becoming a real success.
    Imagine what great apps would have already been developed, if there would be a real AppleTV SDK. Although I must admit, that there are really great apps like nitotv and atvfiles (and all the others of course). But there could be much much more ...

    Netflix integration, streaming from various video platforms. Maybe youtube has the most videos, but not the best! There are so much more: Vimeo, Google Video, Myvideo, etc.

    And not to mention all the other possible apps, from pdf/ebook/news readers, (simple) games, rom emulators, internet surfing (like couchsurfer).

    Imho, the real big mistake by the apple marketing people was, to think that they can make such a device for the masses. This is not possible. At the launch time, the ATV was a device for innovators and early adopters (to speak in the language of Geoffrey Moore). You cannot sell new innovative (high-tech) producs to such people without hearing on the feedback and letting them shape the products as well. You cannot sell the product to the masses as well at this time.
    But nevertheless, Apple tried to sell the ATV to the masses. But the truth is, that the masses were not ready, at the launch time. The only chance would have been to make a perfect product for the innovators/early adpoters and THEN (and only then) the product would have been ready for the mass market. The apple people should have read "Crossing the Chasm". This is the number one book for high-tech marketing. And this is one of the perfect negative examples ... the way it should never be done!

    Well, I have to stop before I stray from the subject to much ;-)
    Things aren't as simple like that... If Apple release a product that removes the need to pay for cable or satellite, it would upset apple partners, and right now apple needs as much content as possible, for its applestore "streaming war".

    It is not the time for the internet TV yet. Lobby is still very strong for the cable/satellite business. That is how capitalism operates,They don't let it die because there is too much money, to many jobs and the control of media distribution involved.


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    @djnav101:

    Did you try different kernels?

    After installing, did you first boot your real Mac OS X or the installation on the external drive? I suggest to boot the later.

    If it doesn't boot, then something went wrong during the installation. Install only the necessary parts (kexts, programs, kernels, ...). You can install missing things later on.

    Btw, my guide suggests to remove the firewire kexts. In case you're trying to boot off of such a drive this would be fatal. Also you can try different SMBIIOS settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dafranca View Post
    Things aren't as simple like that... If Apple release a product that removes the need to pay for cable or satellite, it would upset apple partners, and right now apple needs as much content as possible, for its applestore "streaming war".

    It is not the time for the internet TV yet. Lobby is still very strong for the cable/satellite business. That is how capitalism operates,They don't let it die because there is too much money, to many jobs and the control of media distribution involved.
    That was the argument before Apple entered the realm of cellular telephony, let me ask you one thing... do you own an Iphone? LOL.

    The argument about lobbies and capitalism is quite oversimplified... it's a bit reductive I am afraid and carries a hint of pessimism. If I may, and not to start a diatribe, the Iphone is the proof that "if you build it they will come". Let me just premise though that "they will come" only if "you build it well!", WinMobile wouldn't cut it!

    The they will come here is not referred to the consumer, who will definitely come... remember the lines outside the apple stores around US when the outrageously priced non-3G IPhone even with no video camera came on the market with the hefty tag of >$700 with taxes? That wasn't even too ling ago!
    I didn't see any Verizon, T-Mo, MS WinMobile, Nokia/Simbian, etc. lobbyist stopping the crowds of early adopters flocking like moths to the zapper!
    Later these moths did complain when the price was slashed in 1/2 a few months later, but guess what, even Steve slapped those loyal apple addicts with a letter stating something along the lines "that's what it is in the innovation business... if you can't take it do not be an early adopter", then he threw them a candy in the form of an apple store credit of $100, to show some good will and to shut those whiners up After all the mission was accomplished with people buying iPhones as if they were cup cakes, and AT&T got the proof that was asking for...

    (Note: The price had to be this high not because back then costed too much to make an iPhone, but rather because AT&T would not participate in the expenses refusing to take a gamble on the iPhone until was proven that the device was a winner, the rest is now history as a 32GB iPhone 3Gs now is way under $700 ;D)

    Even the iTunes store was an earlier proof of the same concept. Do you think Record Labels were jumping of joy at the idea of mp3s being sold at pennies at the cost of hurting CD sales and loosing control of a market that was controllable selling tangible media rather than abstract bits? No they weren't! Otherwise they would have understood the potential of napster (a system that was already built by a 16 y.o kid!!!) and turn it into their advantage trasforming it into their own iTunes store by implementing a proprietary DRM and getting the mp3 players manufacturers comply with their DRM so that they could dictate terms of sales for music content.
    But the Record Labels greedy dinosaurs didn't get it until the iTunes sales spelled it out to them in the only way they can read $,$$$,$$$.$$! They got finally convinced once Apple took the portable music market by storm... now with virtually no competition and no antitrust laws blocking them Apple de-facto dominates the portable music market, have you ever owned an iPod? *wink*

    Anyway... in conclusion no matter what lobbies will always support you if you will make them more money, do not think that things will not change and IPTV will not happen just because there are invested interests in the cable/satellite business and because there are too many jobs and control of media distribution involved... If that was the truth then we would have no Netflix... since I had cable I have not rented a single movie from my cable provider, shouldn't that trigger the ire and retaliation of the lobbyist? I only see Netflix thriving instead and righteously so since I would never pay the absurd price of a movie on demand when I can get it through Netflix! The reason why AppleTV is not into IPTV yet is probably because Apple hasn't yet planned that yet ;P There will be a lot of obstacles to overcome with the first being the monopoly that cable companies have on broadcasting, which IMHO is a violation of consumers rights and freedom and a crime against free market... but that's all another story

    I could keep going on the theme as you may have already guessed but I'd rather stop to avoid to bore everyone to death and to limit my off-topic posting as although Apple TV related I am aware I digressed more than I should have... but... hey someone may find this reading even entertaining or educational and guess what! Contrary to what cable/sat companies and entertainment industry do, I will not charge a fee for the content of this post.. LMAO!

    Keep up the good hacking everyone!
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    Wouldnt it be great if someone were able to put this together in a .dmg or something for the n00bs who want Leopard on thier aTV? Ok, I know there could be no reference to it on here but an anonymous upload to bittorrent would do the trick!

    I appreciate that this is a hobby and my idea would take away some of the fun....but I have other hobbies and dont really have the time to try and get this working, clearly I will face some problems if I did!

    Zod

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    The ideneb dvd is on bittorrent! This guide ist (mostly) about, how to configure it. If anyone wanted to put a preconfigured ideneb/hackintosh on bittorrent, it would've already been done.

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    Question ATV OSX Image

    Quote Originally Posted by ash View Post
    The ideneb dvd is on bittorrent! This guide ist (mostly) about, how to configure it. If anyone wanted to put a preconfigured ideneb/hackintosh on bittorrent, it would've already been done.
    Yeah i'd really be happy if someone would take the time t upload a working ATV OSX image too.
    I don't have a intel mac, only G5's. So this is difficult.

    Any assistance with an image would be tops.

    Thanks


 

 

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