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    Default ATV mk1 as headless OS X iTunes unit for car?

    I've just scored a pre-loved mk1 TV on eBay with the hope I can tinker with it, so as to use it in my car as a built-in iTunes music player.

    The ideal setup is that I can secrete it away somewhere in the car without the need for a screen, and then use Remote.app on my iPhone to navigate / create genius playlists etc.

    To me - the easiest way to do this seems to be to get an OS X Leopard install running that can in turn allow the ATV to create it's own ad-hoc wifi network which the phone can then connect to with Remote.app and then do it's 'controlling of iTunes' thing without the need for a screen or mouse/keyboard.

    I've done this with laptops (and a Mini) in the car before and it worked well, but want to have an 'always there' install that's out of sight in the glove-box or under the seat and not so expensive I cough up a lung if it gets stolen (this cost me only 50GBP)

    Ah you're thinking - 'Why not just use a big 160gig iPod classic?
    Simply - No wires hanging out of the dash, bigger hard drive (I have a lot of music and hate having to always decide what music to take before a long trip)

    'Why not just use a Mac mini?"
    Well I could do that but it's bigger, draws more power and has a massive power brick. And it's lots more expensive (I can't spare the one I have); Plus overkill for a car stereo maybe?

    "Why not just use the standard ATV OS?"
    I think you need to also have a separate wifi router in the car - ie an AirPort Express for this to work. This is a reasonable 'plan b' if my 'best case idea' is technically impossible but there's more to go wrong, (Express loses network/ forgets network/flashing orange LED of Death) and it means one more thing to power off the car's 12v supply making it generally less elegant.

    So in summary:
    1) Can an TV running Leopard create an adhoc network that an iPhone can connect to and headlessly control it with Remote.app?

    2) Or can this be done with mildly hacked ATV OS 2.0 instead?

    3) Since I'm asking - does anyone know of a more elegant way to power an ATV in a car? (dc > ac> dc seems a little messy to me)

    Many thanks in advance for any help at all. I'm game for most hacks (I have a Dell Mini9 with a hackintosh install so am reasonably adept) and can't wait for the mail-man to bring my little silver box so I can start messing about with it. (I plan to add a 320 PATA drive or maybe even do the 1tb SATA / IDE adapter/long ribbon install).



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    Ok so I can answer my own question here - it works!
    Not installed in the car yet as I'm waiting on a decent sine-wave dc/ac converter but the OS Leopard install worked perfectly after a few difficulties (I actually don't have a real TV in the house so managed something workable with a video capture card. Couldn't get it onto the home wifi network though until I belatedly remembered the ethernet and was then seamlessly able to set it up as I wanted with remote desktop)

    Ad-hoc works perfectly with the iPhone remote; I had to create a wee startup script with automator to create the ad-hoc each time it boots as an ad-hoc can't run as a default but beyond that little bit of ineligance I super happy with it.

    Thoughts: Wondering about a SSD transplant sometime in the future when big >256gb ones are affordable. Boot would be quicker, the machine quieter and maybe run a little less hot too?

    Would still love a 12v -> 5v 7.2amp power supply so as not to have to run an inverter but this would have to be custom made and probably $$$ because of it. We'll see how it goes with the inverter. There will be a day when I forget to turn it off and kill the battery I know it!

    Stoked with it though - can't wait to go on a big road trip now I have all my tunes/genius capability built in to my little 8gb phone. Thanks to everyone who put in the hard work making the 10.5.2 Leopard image so easy to install.
    Last edited by Huw Gwilliam; 05-28-2011 at 01:07 PM. Reason: errors in punctuation

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    Just done it mate, it quality.
    Found a nice 5 volt regulator with auto low voltage shut down on a popular bid site.
    Tried it tonight works very well all controlled from my iphone or ipod touch.
    Been looking to do this for a while and managed to pick up an Apple tv 1st gen on the same auction site.
    Also have a wifi router connected in the car.

    Im not sure if i can link to other forums if not P M me.

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    Would be interested to see exactly what you regulator you got... I've just scored a used internal power supply off a bricked tv so I can tinker with the PCB connector and 'standard' 8-shaped power-in cord - but maybe put in a decent regulator in the space and make it still look 'factory'. I got some advice from an electronics forum and they figured this might do the trick:

    http://www.current-logic.com/shop/in...&products_id=8

    Also - it's all fitted in the car now (it's slotted under the seat - rubber removed for best ventillation, and working great with the pure sine regulator. Uninterrupted power is a bit of a pain right now as it's not direct from the battery and sometimes it powers down in the moment when you go between just having ignition on and firing the engine meaning you have to wait a few mins for it to reboot and the hotspot to reappear. I hope to put in a dedicated 12v feed in the boot/trunk coming straight off the battery though counter this at some point soon.

    AND I scored a real bargain on a SATA 256gig SSD, so am hoping to put that in once I have the right PATA/SATA converter (coming in the post from HK). Which should make it silent, cooler and boot a bit quicker. What's the point in a cool stereo if you have to wait an age to use it each time?

    So nearly there with the dream system.


    Quote Originally Posted by richdj View Post
    Just done it mate, it quality.
    Found a nice 5 volt regulator with auto low voltage shut down on a popular bid site.
    Tried it tonight works very well all controlled from my iphone or ipod touch.
    Been looking to do this for a while and managed to pick up an Apple tv 1st gen on the same auction site.
    Also have a wifi router connected in the car.

    Im not sure if i can link to other forums if not P M me.

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    I have purchased (a certain bit site) an Apple Tv1 for my car (I have one at home and use it all the time with about 12,000 songs on it synced from iTunes and a great deal of them are wav files so large storage needed).
    I have got a unit with a 640GB hard drive inside(sata) for the extra storage.
    I have tonight removed the Apple internal power supply and connected it to an external 10 amp 5 volt regulator and has now been running for 4 hours no problem the heat sink on the external power regulator isn't even warm, current in amps tested at 1.05 amps to max of 1.5 amps at 12volts (suggested 7.5 amps elsewhere on the net.
    I am going to leave it running all the time so i can sync it when its parked via wifi and also for quick start up time, the voltage regulator has a shut of so if the battery gets too low it will shut of leaving enough to start (hopefully, also a main kill switch for long parking).
    I plan to run a wireless router in the car (12 volt regulated and ignition acc switched) with a connection to Ethernet port on the Apple Tv so I can wifi my iphone using remote Hd (also remote HD installed on Apple Tv) then when the engine is switched off and key out the Apple tv switch's to Wifi mode (tested) which then links to my home Wifi signal for syncing to itunes.

    new voltage reg


    old apple power supply


    old apple power supply cables attached


    Connected and on test with 12volt power supply


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    Ready for temp install to car


    Temp installed in clove box with rubber removed

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    OK Sorted out Composite video output (normal yellow video lead output) as this unit does not have one, only HDMI and component (red blue Green plugs) so it will need standard video to run in standard car screens.

    To get apple tv to work with Composite video plug in your video lead to the green phono output on the back,
    2 ways to do this

    1- flash tv and then install nito tv and composite video plugin.

    Assuming you have nitoTV installed properly and 480i selected.
    - go to nitoTV - Settings - Utilities - Kernel Extension Manager - TVComposite.kext - press the Play button -> you should see color immediately

    To add it to startup, press the Fast Fwd button and then Create Startup Item
    (Thanks atvnoob from hackint0sh org for that tip)

    2-The other way if you don't have flash installed is an HDMI converter and another converter for this way I would google it as i did not use that route


    Tested in the car and works well.
    I had to run the wireless router on a mains inverter to test it but a 12 volt, 1 amp regulator should sort that problem out.
    All controlled by the iphone (as connected to same network router) with the Remote App (the Apple one, grey outer and blue with a black play button)
    Also the Remote HD App works well for seeing the whole screen output if you need to tweak it.
    The car monitor also works although in NTSC but still in colour and plays movies ok for the car.
    All in all well happy, now to wire it in properly.
    More pics soon

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    This is weird - I posted a response to this about a week ago but it got lost. Thanks the bad idea of using Facebook as a login I fear.
    I've just re-registered with Hackint0sh under a different name - I'm the same person as the original poster (Huw Gwilliam)

    Anyway - typing this again - I loved seeing your setup and test pics. I've got one of the exact same voltage regulators and have it all wired up in a similar test mode, but for now it's not quite working - I think perhaps my 'test' 12V supply isn't delivering enough amps? Or it's a faulty unit. The machine powers up and the yellow light comes (flashing) on but it doesn't get to the boot screen. If I switch the AC power supply back in again it's all fine so that's a puzzle. I thought it might be that there aren't enough amps on the home-based DC system but I get the same problem in the car. I probably need to get a current meter so I can see what's going on.

    What I do have working is a nice pre-owned 256GB SSD which works fine. The Boot time isn't as fast as I hoped (probably the IDE/SATA interface?) but faster than the 5400 HD and quieter.

    The one problem I'm going to have running mine with OSX rather than the TV OS is that turning it off each time without shutting down means iTunes takes ages to launch the next time as it has to check its library; This may make the 'fast' SSD a bit moot so I may end up going back to the tv OS and a router as you have which is not what I wanted to do but waiting 5+ mins whilst it error-checks the library is not my idea of fun.

    I had the idea of locking the iTunes library files so they can't be written to and hence won't need checking, but iTunes is wise to this and doesn't like it enough to open them

    Thanks for sharing your pics - it's funny to see what's essentially identical to what's on my own bench right now (minus the multimeter).
    Actually - on one of your test wires there's what looks like a little pod. Is that a fuse?
    Last edited by Littlepixel72; 07-11-2011 at 08:28 PM. Reason: mistake in cut and paste

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlepixel72 View Post
    This is weird - I posted a response to this about a week ago but it got lost. Thanks the bad idea of using Facebook as a login I fear.
    I've just re-registered with Hackint0sh under a different name - I'm the same person as the original poster (Huw Gwilliam)
    I see that your previous posts were auto-moderated. I'm unsure why they were flagged as spam (my best guess is that someone at your ISP has been spamming the forum and your IP address got caught up in the auto moderation filter). I've deleted these posts now (as they were just duplicates of the post you eventually managed to make)

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    Thanks for getting to the bottom of the problem. I did actually send a PM to the moderators but I don't think that worked either....


 

 

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