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ATV mk1 as headless OS X iTunes unit for car?
I've just scored a pre-loved mk1 TV on eBay with the hope I can tinker with it, so as to use it in my car as a built-in iTunes music player.
The ideal setup is that I can secrete it away somewhere in the car without the need for a screen, and then use Remote.app on my iPhone to navigate / create genius playlists etc.
To me - the easiest way to do this seems to be to get an OS X Leopard install running that can in turn allow the ATV to create it's own ad-hoc wifi network which the phone can then connect to with Remote.app and then do it's 'controlling of iTunes' thing without the need for a screen or mouse/keyboard.
I've done this with laptops (and a Mini) in the car before and it worked well, but want to have an 'always there' install that's out of sight in the glove-box or under the seat and not so expensive I cough up a lung if it gets stolen (this cost me only £50GBP)
Ah you're thinking - 'Why not just use a big 160gig iPod classic?
Simply - No wires hanging out of the dash, bigger hard drive (I have a lot of music and hate having to always decide what music to take before a long trip)
'Why not just use a Mac mini?"
Well I could do that but it's bigger, draws more power and has a massive power brick. And it's lots more expensive (I can't spare the one I have); Plus overkill for a car stereo maybe?
"Why not just use the standard ATV OS?"
I think you need to also have a separate wifi router in the car - ie an AirPort Express for this to work. This is a reasonable 'plan b' if my 'best case idea' is technically impossible but there's more to go wrong, (Express loses network/ forgets network/flashing orange LED of Death) and it means one more thing to power off the car's 12v supply making it generally less elegant.
So in summary:
1) Can an TV running Leopard create an adhoc network that an iPhone can connect to and headlessly control it with Remote.app?
2) Or can this be done with mildly hacked ATV OS 2.0 instead?
3) Since I'm asking - does anyone know of a more elegant way to power an ATV in a car? (dc > ac> dc seems a little messy to me)
Many thanks in advance for any help at all. I'm game for most hacks (I have a Dell Mini9 with a hackintosh install so am reasonably adept) and can't wait for the mail-man to bring my little silver box so I can start messing about with it. (I plan to add a 320 PATA drive or maybe even do the 1tb SATA / IDE adapter/long ribbon install).
Ok so I can answer my own question here - it works!
Not installed in the car yet as I'm waiting on a decent sine-wave dc/ac converter but the OS Leopard install worked perfectly after a few difficulties (I actually don't have a real TV in the house so managed something workable with a video capture card. Couldn't get it onto the home wifi network though until I belatedly remembered the ethernet and was then seamlessly able to set it up as I wanted with remote desktop)
Ad-hoc works perfectly with the iPhone remote; I had to create a wee startup script with automator to create the ad-hoc each time it boots as an ad-hoc can't run as a default but beyond that little bit of ineligance I super happy with it.
Thoughts: Wondering about a SSD transplant sometime in the future when big >256gb ones are affordable. Boot would be quicker, the machine quieter and maybe run a little less hot too?
Would still love a 12v -> 5v 7.2amp power supply so as not to have to run an inverter but this would have to be custom made and probably $$$ because of it. We'll see how it goes with the inverter. There will be a day when I forget to turn it off and kill the battery I know it!
Stoked with it though - can't wait to go on a big road trip now I have all my tunes/genius capability built in to my little 8gb phone. Thanks to everyone who put in the hard work making the 10.5.2 Leopard image so easy to install.
Last edited by Huw Gwilliam; 05-28-2011 at 02:07 PM.
Reason: errors in punctuation
Just done it mate, it quality.
Found a nice 5 volt regulator with auto low voltage shut down on a popular bid site.
Tried it tonight works very well all controlled from my iphone or ipod touch.
Been looking to do this for a while and managed to pick up an Apple tv 1st gen on the same auction site.
Also have a wifi router connected in the car.
Im not sure if i can link to other forums if not P M me.
Ready for temp install to car
Temp installed in clove box with rubber removed
OK Sorted out Composite video output (normal yellow video lead output) as this unit does not have one, only HDMI and component (red blue Green plugs) so it will need standard video to run in standard car screens.
To get apple tv to work with Composite video plug in your video lead to the green phono output on the back,
2 ways to do this
1- flash tv and then install nito tv and composite video plugin.
Assuming you have nitoTV installed properly and 480i selected.
- go to nitoTV - Settings - Utilities - Kernel Extension Manager - TVComposite.kext - press the Play button -> you should see color immediately
To add it to startup, press the Fast Fwd button and then Create Startup Item
(Thanks atvnoob from hackint0sh org for that tip)
2-The other way if you don't have flash installed is an HDMI converter and another converter for this way I would google it as i did not use that route
Tested in the car and works well.
I had to run the wireless router on a mains inverter to test it but a 12 volt, 1 amp regulator should sort that problem out.
All controlled by the iphone (as connected to same network router) with the Remote App (the Apple one, grey outer and blue with a black play button)
Also the Remote HD App works well for seeing the whole screen output if you need to tweak it.
The car monitor also works although in NTSC but still in colour and plays movies ok for the car.
All in all well happy, now to wire it in properly.
More pics soon
This is weird - I posted a response to this about a week ago but it got lost. Thanks the bad idea of using Facebook as a login I fear.
I've just re-registered with Hackint0sh under a different name - I'm the same person as the original poster (Huw Gwilliam)
Anyway - typing this again - I loved seeing your setup and test pics. I've got one of the exact same voltage regulators and have it all wired up in a similar test mode, but for now it's not quite working - I think perhaps my 'test' 12V supply isn't delivering enough amps? Or it's a faulty unit. The machine powers up and the yellow light comes (flashing) on but it doesn't get to the boot screen. If I switch the AC power supply back in again it's all fine so that's a puzzle. I thought it might be that there aren't enough amps on the home-based DC system but I get the same problem in the car. I probably need to get a current meter so I can see what's going on.
What I do have working is a nice pre-owned 256GB SSD which works fine. The Boot time isn't as fast as I hoped (probably the IDE/SATA interface?) but faster than the 5400 HD and quieter.
The one problem I'm going to have running mine with OSX rather than the TV OS is that turning it off each time without shutting down means iTunes takes ages to launch the next time as it has to check its library; This may make the 'fast' SSD a bit moot so I may end up going back to the tv OS and a router as you have which is not what I wanted to do but waiting 5+ mins whilst it error-checks the library is not my idea of fun.
I had the idea of locking the iTunes library files so they can't be written to and hence won't need checking, but iTunes is wise to this and doesn't like it enough to open them
Thanks for sharing your pics - it's funny to see what's essentially identical to what's on my own bench right now (minus the multimeter).
Actually - on one of your test wires there's what looks like a little pod. Is that a fuse?
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