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    Quote Originally Posted by jowo View Post
    just saw this while I am looking around to see if patchstick works for atv 3.0...

    BackRow 3.0 SDK - AwkwardTV

    looks like someone out there is working on it
    i think thats just an xcode template for making appletv appliances on a mac, not for running the appletv os


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    The Backrow SDK has nothing to do with running ATV OSX on an normal Mac or running Backrow in Tiger ...

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    anyone know how?

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    So it is possible to this as long as your Mac can run tiger? just boot straight into AppleTv? Can update?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiftyfour123 View Post
    ok here's what happened. i downloaded the 10.4.7 intel update from apple.com and copied the mach_kernel file from that into the OSBoot root. then i copied my extensions from /System/Library/Extensions to the same place on the OSBoot drive. then i deleted the kernel cache entry in com.apple.boot.plist and added a -v boot flag. When it booted it loader drivers for about 10 seconds then froze on kernel version: darwin.....(the rest of the kernel version). and it stay on that for a while so i just restarted.

    anyone have any ideas?
    Have you tried booting your MacBook with a clone of the OS installed on the HDD of an ATV? What was the results?
    Last edited by eenduiker; 11-22-2009 at 02:34 PM. Reason: Confusing


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    For me personally, it's very important that this be made to work, and hopefully by explaining why, it can inspire someone else to finish what ATV4Mac couldn't.

    I already own an AppleTV and it serves some level of purpose. Actually, what I have/need isn't just a media center but a multi-room media setup: AppleTV in one room, Mac Mini in another, and an AirPort Express in a third. Nothing too fancy, but it gives me (or should theoretically give me) everything I need. Through what I consider two absolutely killer features, those being AirTunes and the nearly perfect iPhone Remote app, Apple has the technology to make this all happen.

    Unfortunately, they've mismatched the software and hardware portions. The Apple TV OS is everything I need but runs on inferior hardware on which Hulu can play poorly, Netflix won't work at all, and of course there is no optical drive. A Mac mini has the hardware, but will only run Plex, Boxee, and Front Row, all of which lack support for AirTunes and the iPhone Remote (why Front Row lacks this, I will never know).

    That might be able to sum it up by itself, but just to make sure, this is what I see a perfect media setup providing:
    • Whole-house audio. And I like iTunes/AppleTV's built-in solutions better than Airfoil's: the Apple products disconnect from the AirTunes receiver when no music is being played, thus allowing for more usefulness when you have multiple AirTunes sources (whereas you need to manually disconnect Airfoil from a given Airport Express if you want to send audio to it from a different source).
    • Related to the above, two-way AirTunes, i.e., both send and receive audio as the Apple TV can do as of 2.0 (or some version of 2.x)
    • Remote controllable without having to be in the same room. Thus, Rowmote doesn't do the trick since with it I need to be able to see the screen of the media center I'm controlling.
    • Ability to run Boxee/Hulu (AppleTV can do it but with limitations; I can't watch The Office on Hulu because the hardware can't handle it without stuttering)
    • Full-screen, easy-to-read and aesthetically pleasing display of currently playing song with cover art, etc.
    • Ability to stream Netflix movies (not possible via any solution on Apple TV hardware)
    • (nice to have) Genius playlists
    • (nice to have) 10-foot interface to iTunes Store.
    • (nice to have) Plays DVDs


    So, Mac Mini + Apple TV front end + Boxee hack = everything I need. And note that even though ATV4Mac theoretically supports up to ATV 2.1, if you read the threads on their forums, the developers admit that 1.5 was the last stable version. A lot of the features I need weren't introduced until later versions of the Apple TV OS.

    Hopefully there are others out there like me, or maybe even what I just wrote will make someone else realize they need the same thing, because I'm really disappointed that ATV4Mac and basically everyone else stopped their efforts sometime in summer 2008. Necessity being the mother of invention, however ...
    Last edited by roomloo; 11-27-2009 at 01:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roomloo View Post
    For me personally, it's very important that this be made to work, and hopefully by explaining why, it can inspire someone else to finish what ATV4Mac couldn't.

    I already own an AppleTV and it serves some level of purpose. Actually, what I have/need isn't just a media center but a multi-room media setup: AppleTV in one room, Mac Mini in another, and an AirPort Express in a third. Nothing too fancy, but it gives me (or should theoretically give me) everything I need. Through what I consider two absolutely killer features, those being AirTunes and the nearly perfect iPhone Remote app, Apple has the technology to make this all happen.

    Unfortunately, they've mismatched the software and hardware portions. The Apple TV OS is everything I need but runs on inferior hardware on which Hulu can play poorly, Netflix won't work at all, and of course there is no optical drive. A Mac mini has the hardware, but will only run Plex, Boxee, and Front Row, all of which lack support for AirTunes and the iPhone Remote (why Front Row lacks this, I will never know).

    That might be able to sum it up by itself, but just to make sure, this is what I see a perfect media setup providing:
    • Whole-house audio. And I like iTunes/AppleTV's built-in solutions better than Airfoil's: the Apple products disconnect from the AirTunes receiver when no music is being played, thus allowing for more usefulness when you have multiple AirTunes sources (whereas you need to manually disconnect Airfoil from a given Airport Express if you want to send audio to it from a different source).
    • Related to the above, two-way AirTunes, i.e., both send and receive audio as the Apple TV can do as of 2.0 (or some version of 2.x)
    • Remote controllable without having to be in the same room. Thus, Rowmote doesn't do the trick since with it I need to be able to see the screen of the media center I'm controlling.
    • Ability to run Boxee/Hulu (AppleTV can do it but with limitations; I can't watch The Office on Hulu because the hardware can't handle it without stuttering)
    • Full-screen, easy-to-read and aesthetically pleasing display of currently playing song with cover art, etc.
    • Ability to stream Netflix movies (not possible via any solution on Apple TV hardware)
    • (nice to have) Genius playlists
    • (nice to have) 10-foot interface to iTunes Store.
    • (nice to have) Plays DVDs


    So, Mac Mini + Apple TV front end + Boxee hack = everything I need. And note that even though ATV4Mac theoretically supports up to ATV 2.1, if you read the threads on their forums, the developers admit that 1.5 was the last stable version. A lot of the features I need weren't introduced until later versions of the Apple TV OS.

    Hopefully there are others out there like me, or maybe even what I just wrote will make someone else realize they need the same thing, because I'm really disappointed that ATV4Mac and basically everyone else stopped their efforts sometime in summer 2008. Necessity being the mother of invention, however ...
    You are going to run into some problems. Most MBP's don't support tiger, the appletv os is written for 10.4.7, the frameworks will NEVER. and i mean NEVER work in leopard or greater, ever. its not possible without the source code which only apple has, the backrow and appletv frameworks would need to be targeted for leopard and snow leopard for that to have any chance in the world to work. the last version that was supported was 2.1 because apple changed and started signing the remote hid event code, getting that to work is a big task, and in the end the frameworks will still only work in tiger which most people dont and/or cant run anymore. i know from experience that my macbookpro doesnt support tiger, it wont boot from the disc and even me installing tiger on another computer, imaging the drive and then restoring it to a partition on my computer doesn't work either. im pretty certain mbp's need an actual firmware patch to get tiger to even boot, and if this patch isnt applied properly you can completely brick your computer.

    in the end the reason these efforts were probably abandoned because of the tiger limitations and the issues with emulation of the HID events to get remotes working again.
    Last edited by nitosoft; 12-30-2009 at 04:53 PM.

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    Thanks for the reply -- that's very illuminating (and I had had no luck even trying to find anywhere near that level of explanation anywhere).

    I don't think most people would use a MBP as a media center; that's why as I stated I'm trying the Mac Mini route. Not sure if that poses the same problems or not. As for Tiger, I already have a Tiger partition set up and have attempted ATV4Mac on that. I would imagine that if anyone ever got this working (big "if") they would distribute it as a bootable DMG, just as has already been done with prior versions of the ATV OS.

    But it sounds like a dead end anyway, and the only real hope for what I need is for Plex to be improved (namely adding AirTunes support + some Remote application for iPhone like the one Apple ships for iTunes/ATV). I'll start down that route; I might even be able to contribute some code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roomloo View Post
    Thanks for the reply -- that's very illuminating (and I had had no luck even trying to find anywhere near that level of explanation anywhere).

    I don't think most people would use a MBP as a media center; that's why as I stated I'm trying the Mac Mini route. Not sure if that poses the same problems or not. As for Tiger, I already have a Tiger partition set up and have attempted ATV4Mac on that. I would imagine that if anyone ever got this working (big "if") they would distribute it as a bootable DMG, just as has already been done with prior versions of the ATV OS.

    But it sounds like a dead end anyway, and the only real hope for what I need is for Plex to be improved (namely adding AirTunes support + some Remote application for iPhone like the one Apple ships for iTunes/ATV). I'll start down that route; I might even be able to contribute some code.
    sorry i read your post a little too quickly and assumed the macbookpro because of the thread title my mistake. If you have ATV4Mac then life would be a bit more promising to get 3.0 working on there then getting it to work on some kind of modified AppleTV OS to work on a normal computer. I remember brandon holland made an eventinjector plugin for 2.3 on the AppleTV itself to get a "safe update" appletv updating in a hacky fashion from 2.1 to 2.3, however this route would be predicated by the ATV4Mac developer still being willing to work on the project, and then someone like brandon being willing to fix the remote issue (and able with his limited time to work on any AppleTV projects anymore) So with a mini things would be SLIGHTLY more hopeful but not entirely. IF you can live with AppleTV 2.1 (which does have airtunes support as far as i remember) then you could go that route. The hardest part is finding a 2.1 dmg since Apple stopped hosting anything older the 2.4
    Last edited by nitosoft; 12-30-2009 at 04:51 PM.

 

 
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